Should university be free?

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Jerma985
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£9,000 per student per year is utter insanity for the fact that the teaching is worse than at A-Level, for computer science at least.
If salaries were lowered or teachers were actually worth anything, then I wouldn't care about having to pay that sum.
I'm not sure the UK has the funding to cover all universities, especially as many people waste their degrees even when they're paying for it, and this country is already economically pressured.
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Can someone please tell me where this money would come from if uni was paid for by tax payers?
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No, because you live at university and accommodation is too big a deal to ever be free.
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(Original post by SpacePatroFan189)
No, because you live at university and accommodation is too big a deal to ever be free.
As well it shouldnt

Why should a taxpayer pay for a students accommodation? i dont know what you mean by its "too big a deal to ever be free" ???
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I don't know if university should be free, but what I do know is that people who cannot afford it, should have access to higher education anyway. Education cannot be a privilege of the rich, who will use it to become even richer and powerful. Not in a democratic society that looks after itself and its own future. Pure and simple.
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(Original post by toniator23)
I think uni should be free for students studying subjects like science, economics , technology , maths , medicine as these are very important subjects that move forward our economy. Subjects like history are great but wont be very beneficial to our society so they should pay £3000. Also if you disagree remember that people without children would be partly paying for your uni education and its not fair for them to have to pay for someones interest that wont ever affect them or the future.
You think you shouldn’t have to pay if it’s STEM, but everyone else should?

Yikes. Tell that to a Law student.
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I think it would be great if uni was free. Not just for me, but for everyone. One of the main reasons people I knew didn't go to uni is because it costs so much. If it was free, or even just cheaper, then more people would be up for continuing their education and learning more about their particular interest. As a whole, with more people learning for longer, it means an all round smarter country so we can make it better and make properly well informed choices.
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I'm from Scotland so I don't pay tuition fees and I probably wouldn't have gone to university if it wasn't free. I'm a straight A student in all my classes at school and at uni. I don't think that university being free would mean people with no intention of studying would go to university just for the social aspect, because you have so little money to live off it's not worth it. I get less than £5000 a year to live off which is pretty much impossible if you don't work as well, at least during the summer. I think this is probably the optimum solution, since it means it is possible to go to uni even if you're not from a well off background (me) so long as you're willing to put in the work and dedicate yourself to it. I'm going to graduate with a masters in engineering with less than £25000 debt, which I stand a decent chance at being able to pay off. The student debt in England and Wales seems crazy to me, and there's no way I could have justified going to uni if I was going to leave with that much debt...
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It should be, not everyone can afford it.
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(Original post by AliceWallace)
It should be, not everyone can afford it.
But if you're a UK student, you're entitled to a tuition fee loan.
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Please be 100% honest. Yes I am guessing we would all love it to be free, but would like to hear people's opinions on this subject!
i think that the price to live on site should stay the same while tuition fees should be much cheaper
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Why don't we make it free, but only allow the very most clever to get to go?Just like the olden days.
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No. Who has to pay for it in the end?
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Categorically no. I remember in my overwhelmingly Labour-voting department, I asked some students if they were willing to have tuition fees kept in order to help more disadvantaged students get some financial boost so that they would be able to go to university. Say, keep fees for every student coming from a household with an average income above 45k/pa, and either reduce/scrap and/or offer free maintenance grants for those less advantaged, depending on how low they fall beneath that sum. Many, who I know have nothing to worry about financially, but they still cashed in on loans and grants regardless (to waste that money in the most counter-productive way possible), needed some time to think. But I thought kids found socialism trendy nowadays?

Some reasons why not :
- First one: too many people; too many current & prospective students, national and foreign (EU/EEA)
- An inflation of meagre universities and degrees (that should really be transformed into professional schools/ polytechnics) that all charge the same sum for less advantageous courses.
- An idiotic societal consensus of our day and age that you need a degree to do anything in life, which injects more students in universities; students that would have probably been better off in the abovementioned institutions.
- Giving off free tuition fees will only help the middle and upper classes most. The working class families, unable to cope with the ridiculous living expenses of moving their child to a good university in a costlier area, will either have to send their child to the closest university (which might not be the best one), or not send their child to a university at all. You can't give free tuition fees and maintenance grants or loans at the same time. It is simply too much money. What, tax the taxpayer more? So people like my partner, who is older than your average kid about to go to university, because he couldn't go to university immediately and had to wait and work more years to save up money, should have to wait even more because he'll pay more in tax to help that kid whose parents can move him off to a better university get free tuition. So the working class parents who'd want to send their child to university, to perhaps do something they were not able to do during their youth (physics, medicine, languages), should be burdened more for the same underlined reason?

Universities are not for everyone, and this shouldn't be something to spark controversy. Heck, I'm someone who was immediately forced into university "because this is what all the other kids do", and I am miserable. I would have been happier going to a professional school, become good in a trade and earn a safe living out of it.

Also, states should only help children with free education up to the age when they become adults. I'm sorry, but you'll likely be 18 when you'll get into university. You're a mature person who cannot hide behind your parents' back when decisions concering your future begin to appear. Universities, as they are now, are the first 'social contract' many of us get.

The fees have inflated to a ridiculous degree, but that's already because of some of the issues I've mentioned above. If there are too many people going to university, and too many people still not earning enough after graduation to pay the loan off, where do you want that money to come from?
Back in Romania, I had a chuckle when a minister was asked by the opposition for more free shite. He simply said: "there is not enough money". People like hearing vacuous promises, but they don't like hearing the hard truth if it's not to their immediate advantage.
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I think that university should be free as it isn’t fair that a person from a wealthier family could go to university whereas someone from a working class background would struggle or not be able to go at all.
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I reckon the price is a tad ridiculous - it should be lowered.
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Clearly it needs to be funded, the debate is about free at the point of use. I think the current system with students with massive debt on graduation is unfair and untenable however you wrap it up. And of course it is poorer students who are hardest hit as their family dont mitigate the impact. I favour tuition fees and a basic grant being funded out of general taxation or sponsorship with everyone being allow one bite of the cherry. I can see an argument for students making a more modest contribution at the time of study, to promote taking the degree more seriously. And a graduate tax although unfair in some regards would still be better than what we have now.
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(Original post by yt7777)
You also mention that too many people are studying **** subjects yet you say if you've only done BTECs then university shouldn't be an option, BTECs offer a solid vocational education in Computer Science, Engineering and many other subjects, these are 2 very strong and employable degree subjects. So I really don't agree with that.

I did my Computing BTEC back in 2012 and it provided me with a good grounding to get my Computer Science degree (top 30 uni) and get onto my MSc (top 10 uni). As well as this I work as a Software Engineer and have over 1 years experience through internships, of which 2 of my employers stated they preferred employees with vocational qualifications like BTEC instead of all academic. Vocational qualifications are just as strong.

In response to the actual thread, I agree university should be free but it does need to be more selective, pretty much anyone can go to uni now even with straight D grades (and lower!) it is possible to get into low ranked universities still costing 9k per year, if it was more selective then 'subjects that do not lead to any career path would be less subscribed to, allowing people who achieve highly to go to university for free and study something that will actually lead them to a good career.

I think the entry requirments is a tough one as there's been a fair few studies which show that A levels have little correlation to people's degree classification. Plus I know of a fair few people who did horrendous at A level but came out with a 1st in stem subjects while others had stellar A levels yet came out with appalling degrees. Maybe entrance exams provided by the universities would be a better idea where only the best were admitted?
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Absolutely not.
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(Original post by hannahh.08)
I think that university should be free as it isn’t fair that a person from a wealthier family could go to university whereas someone from a working class background would struggle or not be able to go at all.
So many communists
"Give me free stuff"
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