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Why Does Everyone Hate Pendulum?
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They have no imagination any more. When they first came onto the scene, probably about 5 years ago - not 2 months ago as lots of people seem to think - they were doing stuff that hadn't been done before, some really interesting stuff but it went downhill after aout 2 years. On Hold Your Colour they used the same synths, basses, breaks & same song templates on every song. Everything was pretty predictable. D&B is all about new things and they've lost that with In Silico.
They market themselves as a D&B act but when you know how good D&B can be, it is extremely annoying as they do not reach the giddy heights that D&B can manage.
Having said that, Pendulum did do some good stuff before Hold Your Colour; namely Vault (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YFsQyGIZeAA).
It's also extremely annoying when people come up to you and say 'Do you Pendulum? Have you heard of Pendulum?'. Well yes, yes I have heard of Pendulum! I had heard of them long before Hold Your Colour came out. You are then treated to a speech which describes Pendulum as amazing, mindblowing 'rave tunes' and most of all, brilliant D&B. Then comes the ubiqiutous 'Have you heard of D&B?'. It's all rather annoying really.
So the two reasons that I do not like Pendulum are:
1. Pendulum's steady musical decline
2. Ill-informed persons talking to me about Pendulum as though they are they pinnacle of D&B, when in fact they are currently extremely poor compared to the rest of the music in the D&B canon.
There are acts that always outclass Pendulum. Check out:
-Bad Company. Best tracks:
--The Nine (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v2bjYrmrNZo)
--Planet Dust (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gymNhQR7_-E)
--Hornet (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3FiUHoKJ5cM)
-Ed Rush & Optical. Best Tracks:
--Wormhole (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qIibUZZwc)
--Sick Note (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhEjKJIYfj4)
--Alien Girl (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F0k0q2d8VSs)
-Ram Trilogy. Best Tracks:
--Screamer (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EQBF2je6SeE)
--Titan (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqzsgRi1fI)
--No Reality (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SJpF1qHHaaU)
I could have put hundreds more but I couldn't be bothered.
They market themselves as a D&B act but when you know how good D&B can be, it is extremely annoying as they do not reach the giddy heights that D&B can manage.
Having said that, Pendulum did do some good stuff before Hold Your Colour; namely Vault (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YFsQyGIZeAA).
It's also extremely annoying when people come up to you and say 'Do you Pendulum? Have you heard of Pendulum?'. Well yes, yes I have heard of Pendulum! I had heard of them long before Hold Your Colour came out. You are then treated to a speech which describes Pendulum as amazing, mindblowing 'rave tunes' and most of all, brilliant D&B. Then comes the ubiqiutous 'Have you heard of D&B?'. It's all rather annoying really.
So the two reasons that I do not like Pendulum are:
1. Pendulum's steady musical decline
2. Ill-informed persons talking to me about Pendulum as though they are they pinnacle of D&B, when in fact they are currently extremely poor compared to the rest of the music in the D&B canon.
There are acts that always outclass Pendulum. Check out:
-Bad Company. Best tracks:
--The Nine (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v2bjYrmrNZo)
--Planet Dust (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gymNhQR7_-E)
--Hornet (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3FiUHoKJ5cM)
-Ed Rush & Optical. Best Tracks:
--Wormhole (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qIibUZZwc)
--Sick Note (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhEjKJIYfj4)
--Alien Girl (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=F0k0q2d8VSs)
-Ram Trilogy. Best Tracks:
--Screamer (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EQBF2je6SeE)
--Titan (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3zqzsgRi1fI)
--No Reality (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SJpF1qHHaaU)
I could have put hundreds more but I couldn't be bothered.
I think there is some irrational hatred for Pendulum derived from the fact that they are mainstream, and their music reflects that. I think some DnB fans also think they are obnoxious for saying they have conquered the DnB world, when really all they have conquered is the mainstream DnB world.
I don't hate them though, they have released some great stuff... Tarantula, Masochist, that Bacteria remix, the pack of wolves remix, painkiller, blood sugar... That's a lot of good stuff in my opinion. But here I'm only mentioning 1 track from their old album, and none from their new album (though **** it I like propane nightmares, there I said it! not sure about in a club though?). Maybe that's why, their albums really don't have anything on their best stuff, and these albums are probably all the drum n bass the mainstream audience will hear...
In my opinion, DnB is a very wide style of music, and listening to Pendulum doesn't really give you a feel for it, hence why there is an element of snobbishness from some DnB fans towards people who like Pendulum.
I don't hate them though, they have released some great stuff... Tarantula, Masochist, that Bacteria remix, the pack of wolves remix, painkiller, blood sugar... That's a lot of good stuff in my opinion. But here I'm only mentioning 1 track from their old album, and none from their new album (though **** it I like propane nightmares, there I said it! not sure about in a club though?). Maybe that's why, their albums really don't have anything on their best stuff, and these albums are probably all the drum n bass the mainstream audience will hear...
In my opinion, DnB is a very wide style of music, and listening to Pendulum doesn't really give you a feel for it, hence why there is an element of snobbishness from some DnB fans towards people who like Pendulum.
I love Pendulum in general.. but I'm not a fan of the newest stuff.
I think quite a lot of people dislike them because they're too popular - you're forgetting that people often want to be part of an exclusive club when it comes to many things (especially things like music, film, art, literature and so on) and if something becomes very popular, they don't want to seem as though they've jumped on the bandwagon.
I think quite a lot of people dislike them because they're too popular - you're forgetting that people often want to be part of an exclusive club when it comes to many things (especially things like music, film, art, literature and so on) and if something becomes very popular, they don't want to seem as though they've jumped on the bandwagon.
fargo89
The similarity of their drum tracks is intensely annoying to anyone who's listening and not just going mental.
You can't really fault them on that... the vast majority of electronic releases these days are various manifestations of amen break.
I used to like Pendulum's first album before I discovered breakcore and dubstep, now I can't stand it. The new album is even worse. Far too rock induced, and nasty attempts at lyrics. If I wanted to listen to rock, I'd listen to an actual rock band. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l073tTK_EfE
(More like it!
)
To me it seems like everybody loves them!
I liked Hold Your Colour but they have just completely lost the plot with In Silico.
I remember listening to 'Propane Nightmares' and waiting for the drum & bass to kick in.....and it never does.
Shame.
I remember listening to 'Propane Nightmares' and waiting for the drum & bass to kick in.....and it never does.
Shame.
joshd
the vast majority of electronic releases these days are various manifestations of amen break
That really isn't true. It could have been argued with jungle but now a lot of producers are content to loop a single snare or tom-tom beat.
Officer Dibble
I liked Hold Your Colour but they have just completely lost the plot with In Silico.
I remember listening to 'Propane Nightmares' and waiting for the drum & bass to kick in.....and it never does.
Shame.
I remember listening to 'Propane Nightmares' and waiting for the drum & bass to kick in.....and it never does.
Shame.
If I'm honest though its badass live, as is Granite suprisingly.
To whoever linked Photek - smashing choice.
However I too have to disagree with the comments on the Amen break. Back in the days of jungle that was more common but now I only hear it in Breakcore and IDM. DnB, especially liquid producers, seem to be coming up with variety in their drum patterns. Similarly, the tech guys like Spor are moving even further into new styles of drums which are really interesting.
Pendulum seem to just spend all their tracks pressing play on the BM KA BMKA machine, adding a ride for chorus. That said if I had their snare sound I'd use it all the ****ing time. I guess my point is that although there's nothing wrong the drum loop they always seem to use, the problem is their perceived laziness in using it over and over.
I don't hate them Not really my type of music, but I was obsessed with Tarantula for like 2 months and listened to it non-stop.
I heart Pendulum hardcore! Brixton Academy, 4th December, I'll be there!
I like both albums but they are very different from one another, Hold Your Colour is much more DnB than In Silico but I do really like In Silico as well. Although Hold Your Colour would appeal a lot more to hardcore DnB fans. I understand why In Silico had such a critical reception, it is a major departure from their older stuff and could be said to be more "mainstream". Hold Your Colour was also a really hard act to follow TBH.
I like both albums but they are very different from one another, Hold Your Colour is much more DnB than In Silico but I do really like In Silico as well. Although Hold Your Colour would appeal a lot more to hardcore DnB fans. I understand why In Silico had such a critical reception, it is a major departure from their older stuff and could be said to be more "mainstream". Hold Your Colour was also a really hard act to follow TBH.
fargo89
I only hear it in Breakcore and IDM.
And that's more or less all I listen to (other than dubstep) :P
Maybe I should have worded my post more specifically, heh.
I was just trying to point out that it isn't uncommon for the drum tracks to be very similar throughout most of an album.
Faint_x
not a fan of drum and bass
That's not a reason not to like pendulum...
Propane Nightmares is pretty.
the extreme drum and bass fans, such as myself dont hate pendulum full stop. they just hate what they have become, their pre hold your colour, pre mainstream, tunes were really quite good. as they have become more popular with average listeners and following that the scene gets has totally changed.
all the local hoodies, emos and scenesters will be into 'drum and bass', after talking to them, you realise that their favourite tune of all time in the d&b world is something by bloody pendulum. there is so much more to the genre than the overplayed and overated tunes by pendulum, namely, blood sugar, hold your colour and tarantula.
you go to any proper d&b night that is popular with real junglists the DJ's wouldnt dare bring a pendulum track with them let alone play it. i suppose its like letting mc fly play at download or some deathmetal gig.
if you say youre a fan of drum and bass, then listen to some of the real names. Andy C, Hype, High Contrast, Logistics, London Elek, Photek, Dillinja, Hazard, Phantasy, Enduser, Zinc, Calibre, The Brookes Brothers, Commix, TC, Klute, Makoto, Noisia.... just to name a few, i could go on forever :P
all the local hoodies, emos and scenesters will be into 'drum and bass', after talking to them, you realise that their favourite tune of all time in the d&b world is something by bloody pendulum. there is so much more to the genre than the overplayed and overated tunes by pendulum, namely, blood sugar, hold your colour and tarantula.
you go to any proper d&b night that is popular with real junglists the DJ's wouldnt dare bring a pendulum track with them let alone play it. i suppose its like letting mc fly play at download or some deathmetal gig.
if you say youre a fan of drum and bass, then listen to some of the real names. Andy C, Hype, High Contrast, Logistics, London Elek, Photek, Dillinja, Hazard, Phantasy, Enduser, Zinc, Calibre, The Brookes Brothers, Commix, TC, Klute, Makoto, Noisia.... just to name a few, i could go on forever :P
Andrew28913
Propane Nightmares is pretty.
****.
crazyjoyce
the extreme drum and bass fans, such as myself dont hate pendulum full stop. they just hate what they have become, their pre hold your colour, pre mainstream, tunes were really quite good. as they have become more popular with average listeners and following that the scene gets has totally changed.
all the local hoodies, emos and scenesters will be into 'drum and bass', after talking to them, you realise that their favourite tune of all time in the d&b world is something by bloody pendulum. there is so much more to the genre than the overplayed and overated tunes by pendulum, namely, blood sugar, hold your colour and tarantula.
you go to any proper d&b night that is popular with real junglists the DJ's wouldnt dare bring a pendulum track with them let alone play it. i suppose its like letting mc fly play at download or some deathmetal gig.
if you say youre a fan of drum and bass, then listen to some of the real names. Andy C, Hype, High Contrast, Logistics, London Elek, Photek, Dillinja, Hazard, Phantasy, Enduser, Zinc, Calibre, The Brookes Brothers, Commix, TC, Klute, Makoto, Noisia.... just to name a few, i could go on forever :P
all the local hoodies, emos and scenesters will be into 'drum and bass', after talking to them, you realise that their favourite tune of all time in the d&b world is something by bloody pendulum. there is so much more to the genre than the overplayed and overated tunes by pendulum, namely, blood sugar, hold your colour and tarantula.
you go to any proper d&b night that is popular with real junglists the DJ's wouldnt dare bring a pendulum track with them let alone play it. i suppose its like letting mc fly play at download or some deathmetal gig.
if you say youre a fan of drum and bass, then listen to some of the real names. Andy C, Hype, High Contrast, Logistics, London Elek, Photek, Dillinja, Hazard, Phantasy, Enduser, Zinc, Calibre, The Brookes Brothers, Commix, TC, Klute, Makoto, Noisia.... just to name a few, i could go on forever :P
I wholehearted agree(see my post at the top of this page). Thank you so much for being a voice of reason.
I don't hate them, but In Silico is quite far from D'n'B.
Hold Your Colour is a D'n'B album; all you have to do is listen to it, and it has all the hallmarks of D'n'B with some actually decent stuff on it. In Silico is a rock album with some D'n'B qualities (like the snares on the 2 and 4).
"Why does everyone hate..." them? Everyone doesn't hate them, just the D'n'B fans, and the music nerds. We dislike the way they're changing genre just to get some moolah and fame - "innovative", my aunt fanny. It's some bloody charlatans conning the masses into thinking they're listening to drum and bass - a bit o' jungle would sort 'em out.
Hold Your Colour is a D'n'B album; all you have to do is listen to it, and it has all the hallmarks of D'n'B with some actually decent stuff on it. In Silico is a rock album with some D'n'B qualities (like the snares on the 2 and 4).
"Why does everyone hate..." them? Everyone doesn't hate them, just the D'n'B fans, and the music nerds. We dislike the way they're changing genre just to get some moolah and fame - "innovative", my aunt fanny. It's some bloody charlatans conning the masses into thinking they're listening to drum and bass - a bit o' jungle would sort 'em out.
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