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Iam posting the pic of the question. I solved question (a). Not able to solve q(b)

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Original post by Shas72
Iam posting the pic of the question. I solved question (a). Not able to solve q(b)

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Reply 2
Original post by Shas72
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The 11th question part (b) iam not understanding
Original post by Shas72
Iam posting the pic of the question. I solved question (a). Not able to solve q(b)

You know how for a graph of y=f(x)y=f(x), the notation

abydx\displaystyle \int_a^b y dx

can be interpreted as the signed area between the curve at the x-axis. Right?

In other words, more specific to your case, it will just be the area you measure from the x-axis up to the curve over the interval ln2<x<ln3\ln 2 < x < \ln 3.

The notation

f(a)f(b)xdy\displaystyle \int_{f(a)}^{f(b)} x dy

where x=f1(y)x = f^{-1}(y) on the other hand, still can be interpreted to be the area, but it's this time it is measured from the y-axis up to the curve.

Therefore, what you have is the following image, whereby the blue represents your answer to part (a) and red represents the integral in part (b)


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Reply 4
Original post by RDKGames
You know how for a graph of y=f(x)y=f(x), the notation

abf(x)dx\displaystyle \int_a^b f(x) dx

can be interpreted as the signed area between the curve at the x-axis. Right?

In other words, more specific to your case, it will just be the area you measure from the x-axis up to the curve over the interval ln2<x<ln3\ln 2 < x < \ln 3.

The notation

f(a)f(b)ydy\displaystyle \int_{f(a)}^{f(b)} y dy

on the other hand, still can be interpreted to be the area, but it's this time it is measured from the y-axis up to the curve.

Therefore, what you have is the following image, whereby the blue represents your answer to part (a) and red represents the integral in part (b)



So do I need to minus the part (a) value
Original post by Shas72
So do I need to minus the part (a) value

From a particular quantity, yes.
Reply 6
Original post by RDKGames
You know how for a graph of y=f(x)y=f(x), the notation

abf(x)dx\displaystyle \int_a^b f(x) dx

can be interpreted as the signed area between the curve at the x-axis. Right?

In other words, more specific to your case, it will just be the area you measure from the x-axis up to the curve over the interval ln2<x<ln3\ln 2 < x < \ln 3.

The notation

f(a)f(b)ydy\displaystyle \int_{f(a)}^{f(b)} y dy

on the other hand, still can be interpreted to be the area, but it's this time it is measured from the y-axis up to the curve.

Therefore, what you have is the following image, whereby the blue represents your answer to part (a) and red represents the integral in part (b)



So when I try to do I get ln3-ln2 which is ln(3/2)
Original post by Shas72
So when I try to do I get ln3-ln2 which is ln(3/2)

Are you just guessing? What are you calculating? Be clear, I can't read minds.
Reply 8
Original post by RDKGames
Are you just guessing? What are you calculating? Be clear, I can't read minds.

When I did question (a) I got 1
Reply 9
Original post by RDKGames
Are you just guessing? What are you calculating? Be clear, I can't read minds.

I could do question (a) by applying the concept of integration. I dont understand the b part
Original post by Shas72
I could do question (a) by applying the concept of integration. I dont understand the b part

I explained what it represents visually.

Rather than integrating directly, you should use the concept I have explained to you.

Look, the red + blue areas make up an L shape overall. You can easily determine the area of an L shape -- you do this at GCSE level.

So figure that out, and if you subtract the blue area from this, you get the red area, hence the integral.
Reply 11
Original post by RDKGames
Are you just guessing? What are you calculating? Be clear, I can't read minds.

e^x=y
X=ln y
So I put integration x^1.dy
Reply 12
Original post by RDKGames
I explained what it represents visually.

Rather than integrating directly, you should use the concept I have explained to you.

Look, the red + blue areas make up an L shape overall. You can easily determine the area of an L shape -- you do this at GCSE level.

So figure that out, and if you subtract the blue area from this, you get the red area, hence the integral.

Ok let me try
Reply 13
Original post by RDKGames
You know how for a graph of y=f(x)y=f(x), the notation

abydx\displaystyle \int_a^b y dx

can be interpreted as the signed area between the curve at the x-axis. Right?

In other words, more specific to your case, it will just be the area you measure from the x-axis up to the curve over the interval ln2<x<ln3\ln 2 < x < \ln 3.

The notation

f(a)f(b)xdy\displaystyle \int_{f(a)}^{f(b)} x dy

where x=f1(y)x = f^{-1}(y) on the other hand, still can be interpreted to be the area, but it's this time it is measured from the y-axis up to the curve.

Therefore, what you have is the following image, whereby the blue represents your answer to part (a) and red represents the integral in part (b)



So according to what you say I did area red= ln3×1= ln 3
Area blue= (ln 3-ln2)×2
So it will be ln9-ln4
Reply 14
Original post by RDKGames
I explained what it represents visually.

Rather than integrating directly, you should use the concept I have explained to you.

Look, the red + blue areas make up an L shape overall. You can easily determine the area of an L shape -- you do this at GCSE level.

So figure that out, and if you subtract the blue area from this, you get the red area, hence the integral.

Red + blue area I get ln(27/4)
I dont understand after this
Reply 15
Original post by RDKGames
I explained what it represents visually.

Rather than integrating directly, you should use the concept I have explained to you.

Look, the red + blue areas make up an L shape overall. You can easily determine the area of an L shape -- you do this at GCSE level.

So figure that out, and if you subtract the blue area from this, you get the red area, hence the integral.

I tried but not getting it
Original post by Shas72
I tried but not getting it


can you not jus try integration by parts?
actually no don’t try that
Reply 18
Original post by blackmichael
can you not jus try integration by parts?


I dont know how to do that as it's not taught
Original post by Shas72
I tried but not getting it


need to do big rectangle - small rectangle - blue area

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