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McCain vs. Obama

Reply 180

Oswy

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favh

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They were founded by socialistic American administrations ...

Cool, socialism is to be found even in the heart of the USA!

Reply 181

UGeNe

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favh

Going by historical data, Americans have never voted in a Vietnam ex-PoW either.

Either way, history loses. Isn't it exciting!

True, McCain could have been mentally scarred by his imprisonment or worse, he could have been ''programmed'' and now he is ''controlled'' by un-known forces, ''they'' had plenty of time to do it.

Reply 182

CityMonkey

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Oswy

Cool, socialism is to be found even in the heart of the USA!

Your logical order of things seems to be a bit convoluted. You think that just because there are socialist tendencies in the US government that this is a failure of capitalism, or that somehow the socialism is keeping the capitalism propped up. The fact is that the USA is NOT the temple of capitalism that you make it out to be (just look at the fact that the US government bailed out a government supported enterprise, set up by the government) and using this rather arbitrary assumption to launch attacks on real capitalism and true free markets is just poor showing old boy. It's like me using China to attack communism... it isn't really a proper communist state (certainly, the economy isn't).

Reply 183

favh

Oswy

Cool, socialism is to be found even in the heart of the USA!

You must be pretty dim if you've only just realised this.

I for one welcome our new socialist masters and their endless artificially-induced bank crises :lolwut:

Reply 184

Oswy

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favh

You must be pretty dim if you've only just realised this.

Maybe so, it's just that I don't often hear people talking about US governments being socialist ones.

Reply 185

favh

Oswy

Maybe so, it's just that I don't often hear people talking about US governments being socialist ones.

www.mises.org

Most of the articles on this enormous site are libertarians criticising the US's socialism.

I mean, there's hardly any need to criticise more blatant socialism like in North Korea - only a total moron doesn't already know that that is bad. European socialism straddles the middle ground somewhat between respectability and blatant crazy.

The US is, however, one of the least socialist countries in the world - certainly the least socialist 'world power' - and as such is a useful example of the benefits of capitalism in relation to other, less capitalist examples provided it is possible to seperate what is caused by capitalism and what be socialism (it usually is, given careful enough consideration).

Reply 186

Oswy

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favh

www.mises.org

Most of the articles on this enormous site are libertarians criticising the US's socialism.

I mean, there's hardly any need to criticise more blatant socialism like in North Korea - only a total moron doesn't already know that that is bad. European socialism straddles the middle ground somewhat between respectability and blatant crazy.

The US is, however, one of the least socialist countries in the world - certainly the least socialist 'world power' - and as such is a useful example of the benefits of capitalism in relation to other, less capitalist examples provided it is possible to seperate what is caused by capitalism and what be socialism (it usually is, given careful enough consideration).

Well, it warms my heart to think that successive US governments are socialist orientated even if, wrongly, I've been assuming otherwise.

Reply 187

KwungSun

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He's a bumbling old fool with absolutely no clue of what the acute problems in America currently are who is milking his army credentials almost to breaking point and seems to have absolutely nothing else to show for himself.

She is an ultra-conservative, ultra-religious, evolution-skeptic, global-warming-skeptic, army and gun nut with absolutely no experience of dealing with national or international issues.

If these two win, and it's entirely possible they will, the next 4-8 years will be even more of a disaster than the previous 8. Discuss.

Reply 188

crazygirl4521

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Answer if the come into power the world is ****ed.

Reply 189

Vesta

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Apparently the population of people in Alaska (ie Palin's state) is smaller than that of Leeds. Absolutely no experience whatsoever.

Fiscally, I support McCain and Palin. Socially, I'm very pro-Obama. If I were an American citizen, I'd most likely vote Obama, although somewhat reluctancy with regards to his financial policies.

Reply 190

AlanWCollins

The thing is, McCain has a lot of experience, Palin has not. McCain is old, Palin is not. Conversely, Obama has little experience, Biden has a lot, Obama is young, Biden is not.

The only thing which makes the Obama/Biden ticket more attractive than the McCain/Palin ticket for me is that Obama is the one promising real change and an end to the disastrous Bush tactics!

Reply 191

L i b

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Vesta

Apparently the population of people in Alaska (ie Palin's state) is smaller than that of Leeds. Absolutely no experience whatsoever.

Nope, that's factually inaccurate unless you start counting virtually the whole outlying countryside from cities as part of its 'urban area'.

Anyway, as for experience - what 'experience' do you want a politician to have exactly? It seems to me that being a state governor is the best experience for President in a presidential system of government; but even so, what do you need experience of? You make policy as a politician, you do not implement it.

Reply 192

favh

Oswy

Well, it warms my heart to think that successive US governments are socialist orientated even if, wrongly, I've been assuming otherwise.

I dont know what planet you've been living on. US politics is notorious for its pork barrel state subsidy corruption. But the US is less socialist than most other developed nations, yes.

Reply 193

L i b

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JonathanH

Being governor of a State is very much different to being in charge of one city, whatever the population. The responsibilities are very different. Anyway, neither of the guys on the Democratic ticket has ANY executive experience at all, in fact, Palin is the only one in the contest who does.

Precisely.

Reply 194

RightSaidJames

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Well, as long as Palin's values are only a tactic to get votes and are mainly ignored by McCain once he gets into office, I don't think things will be too bad. He does have experience.

Reply 195

Daveinnorfolk

Palin is just the character that world politics needs. Someone to give the fashionable left that claim discrimination and global warming at every opportunity a good kick in the balls. All we can do is pray for her election

Reply 196

Lampshade

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RightSaidJames

Well, as long as Palin's values are only a tactic to get votes and are ignored by McCain once he gets into office, I don't think things will be too bad. He does have experience.

I assume this is the case - McCain has a history of not being too keen on the religious right.

Reply 197

Lampshade

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Daveinnorfolk

All we can do is pray for her election

And then you can pray with her for an Alaska pipeline.

Reply 198

Esmeraldaa

Experience doesn't technically mean that that candidate is going to be a better president. I mean, look at what Bush has done to America. I think that America is more than ready for a change and the one that is the best for the job is Mr. Obama :smile:

I'm very pro-Obama and anti-Palin. If any of you guys happened to watch the Conventions, did you see how her daughter was licking her son's head?! It was disgusting && hilarious at the same time ! [i digress sry] Anyways, I think that Joe Biden will do a heck of a better job than Palin.

And I don't know if McCain/Palin will be able to top the damages that Bush/Cheney have done to this country..

Reply 199

Vesta

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L i b

Nope, that's factually inaccurate unless you start counting virtually the whole outlying countryside from cities as part of its 'urban area'.

Anyway, as for experience - what 'experience' do you want a politician to have exactly? It seems to me that being a state governor is the best experience for President in a presidential system of government; but even so, what do you need experience of? You make policy as a politician, you do not implement it.

Oh, well my source is this week's copy of The Week.

Yes, politicans make policies, but they do more than that. As quite possibly the only world super-power, the President of the USA is a hugely important role. Experience in managing a state with a significantly large number of people would only prove to be positive when it comes to managing a 300,000,000 strong country.

JonathanH

Being governor of a State is very much different to being in charge of one city, whatever the population. The responsibilities are very different. Anyway, neither of the guys on the Democratic ticket has ANY executive experience at all, in fact, Palin is the only one in the contest who does.

That's true.

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