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Torn between very different courses.

Hi! Year 13 here. I'm taking a gap year (possibly multiple gap years), as I want to think about what I want to do at uni and in life in general, as well as take a break from being in an academic environment.

At the moment, I'm torn between some very different courses. For the longest time, I was convinced that I was going to do English literature with film studies, as English lit is my best (and favourite) subject. That said, long before that- prior to choosing my A levels- I wanted to do forensic science. Now, my desire to do forensics has come back.

There's pros and cons to doing each subject.

For English lit with film, I get to do something that I really like and that I know that I'm good at and would love to study. A lot of what I watch on YouTube is media analysis. I'm predicted an A or A* in English, and I haven't achieved below an A since year 12. The only downside is that I don't really know what job I'd end up doing with it, other than teaching, something I don't really want to do. Ideally, I'd love to be a writer, but it's not like I need to study English and film for that, though I'm sure it could help. Plus, it's not a realistic ambition.

On the other hand, for forensic science, I'm far less confident in my scientific ability, especially my mathematic ability. The only science subject I've taken at A level is psychology, and most courses (aside from one I've looked at that is at a university not far from where I live, which is ranked #4 for forensic science in some table or another) require an A level in biology and/or chemistry, even for the foundation year route. So, one worry is that I wouldn't be able to get onto a course to start with. Also, I wasn't a huge fan of the sciences at GCSE because my horrific anxiety meant I was terrified of accidentally creating a disease or setting fire to something during the practicals, to the point that I'd have a panic attack or get my partner to do everything for me. So, I'm worried that, even if I did end up having the theory side of it alright, the practical element of it wouldn't go as well. I did well at my science subjects (I got 8s in chemistry and biology and a 9 in physics) despite the fact, now, I wouldn't be able to tell you anything scientific other than what's in a plant cell or animal cell, at the GCSE level mind you. I find the sciences interesting when I'm not made to do a memory test about them; in fact, I'm planning on learning about various sciences for my own enjoyment, since the biopsychology unit of psychology has gotten me interested in learning about at least biology. And, I really am interested in forensics despite my limited knowledge and my science-based self-doubt; I have been ever since I was 9-10 when I used to watch NCIS (which I assume probably isn't that accurate, but still), and now I'm really interested in true crime. I feel like- if I stuck to it and gained some confidence in my scientific ability- I'd be able to get a worthwhile career out of it compared to English and film.

Alternatively, I'm also somewhat considering psychology. I think that it could give me a worthwhile career, and I think it is genuinely interesting (outside of evaluation and research methods, which are the banes of my existence). I'm predicted at least a C in it (though that's based on a set of mocks I didn't have much time to revise for, so I'm hoping that that means I could achieve a B or above if I did have time to revise).

If anyone has any words of wisdom- or feels the urge to criticise anything I've said or my Dickensian sentences- please let me know!

Edit: also, I wasn’t sure which forum to put this in. Apologies if I chose poorly.
(edited 1 year ago)
The thing to keep in mind is that a degree in forensic science isn't going to guarantee you a career as a forensic scientist. In fact it's probably not even the best degree to go into that compared to a typical basic science degree like chemistry or biochemistry or similar. Ultimately the forensic science sector is not a growth sector - the UK doesn't have a shortfall of forensic scientists, the sector isn't anticipated to grow much (if at all), and there are an oversupply of both forensic science ("CSI degree") students as well as those with basic science degrees looking to move into it. Your odds of becoming a writer are probably just as good if not better.

The other thing to bear in mind is that forensic science work is very routine, almost mechanical. You just do the same test all day long on different samples, but have to maintain extremely strict QA practices to ensure the results aren't spoiled some way. Forensic scientists do not interepret evidence from crime scenes - they just purely objectively and, as noted, fairly mechanically process it through specific requested tests. In fact if in the report of the outcome of the tests you did indicate you interpreted it in some way, it could well get that evidence thrown out of court because your "interpretation" biased your handling of the sample. Simply put: it's grunt work, for the most part. It's basic lab tech stuff except you aren't even allowed to think about it.

So between those two factors I would honestly really probably not recommend going down that route. I can understand the appeal (way back when as a teenager I was also quite interested in that as a possibility) but the reality of it is pretty bleak all round. You get paid little to do a fairly boring job which you don't even really need a degree for, with very limited scope for progression as well. If it weren't for the popularity of the subject matter in contemporary media, it would probably be considered at best a stop-gap job on the way to a more substantive position for a science grad. This is even before considering what you say about your background and approaches to the sciences have been, which absolutely make it sound like even if you like the idea of the end point, you would not enjoy the process to get there at all (and honestly, would also probably not enjoy the work as it'd probably cause you the same kinds of anxieties).

The reality of things is that most grads do things completely unrelated to their degree subject anyway, and most generalist grad roles don't care what you studied. So you may as well do something you find intellectually interesting for your degree then figure out what you want to do for a job after that, as with anyone else! This may lead you into a specialist role related to that subject - which as you enjoyed the actual subject means you'd probably find that specialist role more rewarding anyway - or very likely as with the majority of grads, moving into a generalist role which may not be exactly what you want but provides the security needed for you to pursue your personal interests outside of work :smile:

As an aside, I'd note that the research methods type stuff is actually a very big part of a psychology degree and I think even the training to become a professional psychologist (e.g. clinical, educational, etc). That said I don't think it's something most directly enjoy but it's worth recognizing it is an important part of things and you do need to at least be prepared to continue doing that kind of work, and doing well in it, if psychology is your goal as a degree and/or career.
Original post by artful_lounger
The thing to keep in mind is that a degree in forensic science isn't going to guarantee you a career as a forensic scientist. In fact it's probably not even the best degree to go into that compared to a typical basic science degree like chemistry or biochemistry or similar. Ultimately the forensic science sector is not a growth sector - the UK doesn't have a shortfall of forensic scientists, the sector isn't anticipated to grow much (if at all), and there are an oversupply of both forensic science ("CSI degree") students as well as those with basic science degrees looking to move into it. Your odds of becoming a writer are probably just as good if not better.

The other thing to bear in mind is that forensic science work is very routine, almost mechanical. You just do the same test all day long on different samples, but have to maintain extremely strict QA practices to ensure the results aren't spoiled some way. Forensic scientists do not interepret evidence from crime scenes - they just purely objectively and, as noted, fairly mechanically process it through specific requested tests. In fact if in the report of the outcome of the tests you did indicate you interpreted it in some way, it could well get that evidence thrown out of court because your "interpretation" biased your handling of the sample. Simply put: it's grunt work, for the most part. It's basic lab tech stuff except you aren't even allowed to think about it.

So between those two factors I would honestly really probably not recommend going down that route. I can understand the appeal (way back when as a teenager I was also quite interested in that as a possibility) but the reality of it is pretty bleak all round. You get paid little to do a fairly boring job which you don't even really need a degree for, with very limited scope for progression as well. If it weren't for the popularity of the subject matter in contemporary media, it would probably be considered at best a stop-gap job on the way to a more substantive position for a science grad. This is even before considering what you say about your background and approaches to the sciences have been, which absolutely make it sound like even if you like the idea of the end point, you would not enjoy the process to get there at all (and honestly, would also probably not enjoy the work as it'd probably cause you the same kinds of anxieties).

The reality of things is that most grads do things completely unrelated to their degree subject anyway, and most generalist grad roles don't care what you studied. So you may as well do something you find intellectually interesting for your degree then figure out what you want to do for a job after that, as with anyone else! This may lead you into a specialist role related to that subject - which as you enjoyed the actual subject means you'd probably find that specialist role more rewarding anyway - or very likely as with the majority of grads, moving into a generalist role which may not be exactly what you want but provides the security needed for you to pursue your personal interests outside of work :smile:

As an aside, I'd note that the research methods type stuff is actually a very big part of a psychology degree and I think even the training to become a professional psychologist (e.g. clinical, educational, etc). That said I don't think it's something most directly enjoy but it's worth recognizing it is an important part of things and you do need to at least be prepared to continue doing that kind of work, and doing well in it, if psychology is your goal as a degree and/or career.


Thanks very much for the response! I’ll definitely keep that in mind.

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