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    (Original post by socialist)
    guns are designed to kill - there is no other purpose.
    So, no one on earth has ever used a gun for recreation?
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    So, no one on earth has ever used a gun for recreation?
    Welcome to socialist Britain. Be reassured that a significant part of the country still believe in the right of the individual and the freedom of ones constitution.
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    i'm usually one for the freedoms of the individual, economically at least, but i like society free of guns, and I think the personal freedoms lost through gun control are tiny compared to the general benefits. It's one of the few issues where I find it hard to resolve my own hypocrisy. The benefits of the internet which would be lost are far greater than the abuse which it's responsible for in my eyes.
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    (Original post by foolfarian)
    because handguns are illegal...
    not if you have a licence...

    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    So, no one on earth has ever used a gun for recreation?
    recreation? shooting ducks is still killing things.
    guns are deadly weapons there primary purpose is to kill, therefore individuals should not be allowed to own them. just look at the gun crime stats comparing a states that allow nearly unlimited gun ownership and states that almost totally restrict there sale. everybody is a lot safer if gun sales are totally restricted.

    (Original post by vienna95)
    Welcome to socialist Britain. Be reassured that a significant part of the country still believe in the right of the individual and the freedom of ones constitution.
    what about the right of individuals not to get shot by a gun owner who decides he's had enough.
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    primary use of guns is the defence from ppl who posses guns..
    it's a closed circle...unfortunately
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    or the primary use could be a situational cue which is meant to scare people
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    A. What is the problem if it was created by Americans? Unless, of course, you have a prejudice against Americans.

    B. http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/repurpose
    A British dictionary.

    C. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=repurpose%2BUK
    There seem to be quite a few Britons who use the word.
    I didn't say it didn't feature on any british websites (incidently pointing toa dictionary site with .co.uk is not sufficient evidence that it is a 'british' dictionary as it could have taken its material from another website), I said it is not in the English Dictionary. By that i mean any of the decent english dictionarys, you know, like ones made of paper. Like the Oxford dictionary (equivalent to Websters in America).

    You'll recall this whole thing only started because you got arsey and said 'buy a dictionary' when i didn't recognise the word. But it ISN'T a word in this country anymore than 'zweck'.
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    (Original post by saiyamana)
    or the primary use could be a situational cue which is meant to scare people
    Ahh but how do they scare people? because they have an evil looking shape, or because people know that they can be killed by one from a distance
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    The internet is abused by people to steal identities, view child pornography, and crash computers. Are you willing to sacrifice using the internet for the greater good?
    There is only a very small minority of people that actually do those things you cited and at least for your second point, it is a lot easier to track people down online so viewers/makers of child pornography are caught more often, whereas if they did not have the ability to go on the internet it would be a lot harder to actually find them, let alone arrest them.

    Computers crash anyway, whether or not you connect them to the internet, so taking away the net would not safeguard computer from crashing.

    Again, people have their identies stolen in real life in fact it is a lot easier to do so in real life as you can actually get legal documents and passports, so it is not as if identity theft is based entirely online.
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    I would say that the guns primary use is to kill or injure people. That is what it was designed for. Yes it is now used for recreation but the main idea behind guns is to kill people or animals.
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    (Original post by socialist)
    what about the right of individuals not to get shot by a gun owner who decides he's had enough.
    They have the law.
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    There is only a very small minority of people that actually do those things you cited and at least for your second point, it is a lot easier to track people down online so viewers/makers of child pornography are caught more often, whereas if they did not have the ability to go on the internet it would be a lot harder to actually find them, let alone arrest them.

    Computers crash anyway, whether or not you connect them to the internet, so taking away the net would not safeguard computer from crashing.

    Again, people have their identies stolen in real life in fact it is a lot easier to do so in real life as you can actually get legal documents and passports, so it is not as if identity theft is based entirely online.
    you can still stab people to death though even if you ban guns.
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    you can still stab people to death though even if you ban guns.
    However in order to stab someone to death they need to be very near to them, rather than being anywhere in line of sight when you have a gun.
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    (Original post by fishpaste)
    you can still stab people to death though even if you ban guns.
    theres much less fear associated with knives for many reasons. Firstly theres a lot more you can do to protect yourself in a knife attack. Secondly they have to be right near you in order to attack you. THirdly its much less likely to be 'knifed' by mistake - as opposed to guns. You don't tend to get gangs trying to 'hit' another gang and accidently knifing innocent people, but you do get people accidently shot.
    Knives are part of our everyday usage as a utensil, whereas guns aren't.
    Knives which aren't useful as utensils tend to be illegal, or strictly controlled. Such as flick knives.
    THe debate here I think is whether the benefits of the other uses (in the case of knives, everyday life, in the case of guns, leisure activities for a very very very small minority) outweigh the negative impacts (personal harm, threat, injury, murder).
    In the case of knives and some sorts of guns like hunting rifles, i think the pros outweigh the cons.
    The same cannot be said for handguns.
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    (Original post by socialist)
    recreation? shooting ducks is still killing things.
    So, man has yet to invent target practice in your world? Marvelous.

    guns are deadly weapons there primary purpose is to kill, therefore individuals should not be allowed to own them. just look at the gun crime stats comparing a states that allow nearly unlimited gun ownership and states that almost totally restrict there sale. everybody is a lot safer if gun sales are totally restricted.
    Actually, if you are referring to states in the United states which have many variances on gun ownership, the states which have concealed carry permits has drastically lower violent and petty crime rates than their counterparts.
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    (Original post by foolfarian)
    I didn't say it didn't feature on any british websites (incidently pointing toa dictionary site with .co.uk is not sufficient evidence that it is a 'british' dictionary as it could have taken its material from another website), I said it is not in the English Dictionary. By that i mean any of the decent english dictionarys, you know, like ones made of paper. Like the Oxford dictionary (equivalent to Websters in America).

    You'll recall this whole thing only started because you got arsey and said 'buy a dictionary' when i didn't recognise the word. But it ISN'T a word in this country anymore than 'zweck'.
    The British dictionary website I gave you uses the Cambridge University Press Advanced Learner's Dictionary. Quit sulking about being incorrect.
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    (Original post by wiwarin_mir)
    There is only a very small minority of people that actually do those things you cited and at least for your second point, it is a lot easier to track people down online so viewers/makers of child pornography are caught more often, whereas if they did not have the ability to go on the internet it would be a lot harder to actually find them, let alone arrest them.

    Computers crash anyway, whether or not you connect them to the internet, so taking away the net would not safeguard computer from crashing.

    Again, people have their identies stolen in real life in fact it is a lot easier to do so in real life as you can actually get legal documents and passports, so it is not as if identity theft is based entirely online.
    Only a very small minority of people who legally own guns use them for committing crimes. It's the same principle.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    Only a very small minority of people who legally own guns use them for committing crimes. It's the same principle.
    That does not mean that those legally own guns, more specifically hand guns, somehow have a different construction making them useful in house hold tasks.
 
 
 
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