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Reply 80
robinson999
so fat people that keep on eatting, smokers that keep on smoking after they have been told to stop, people drinking after their liver has packed in, what the point of treating them, they keep on doing the stuff that is killing them


But these things have been legal since the dawn of time ... but the dangerous drugs like heroin are illegal, legalising it would just create havoc in the NHS and elsewhere.

Some drugs may not be dangerous to the person but may change their mood and may make them dangerous to other people.
robinson999
to be fair they pay taxes, so can't turn them away,

what about sports players

In what way do sports players actively aim to injure themselves. Not that it matters, as their injuries are generally cared for by paid specialists rather than the NHS, otherwise a single injury would ruin any player's career.
minimo156
But these things have been legal since the dawn of time ... but the dangerous drugs like heroin are illegal, legalising it would just create havoc in the NHS and elsewhere.

Some drugs may not be dangerous to the person but may change their mood and may make them dangerous to other people.

all drugs where legal at the dawn of time

Some drugs may not be dangerous to the person but may change their mood and may make them dangerous to other people
i am pretty sure i see that every firday and saturday night when people drink a lot, change in mood when some people want to fight and stuff like that
Topperfalkon
In what way do sports players actively aim to injure themselves. Not that it matters, as their injuries are generally cared for by paid specialists rather than the NHS, otherwise a single injury would ruin any player's career.

the way you said it if a person carry on knowing the risk, most of them are not cared for by paid specialists, pretty sure your normal sunday league football can't afford that
Reply 84
robinson999
all drugs where legal at the dawn of time

Some drugs may not be dangerous to the person but may change their mood and may make them dangerous to other people
i am pretty sure i see that every firday and saturday night when people drink a lot, change in mood when some people want to fight and stuff like that


ok, so are you saying we should let these sort of drugs be legal just because one of these mood changing drugs is legal?
minimo156
ok, so are you saying we should let these sort of drugs be legal just because one of these mood changing drugs is legal?

no not saying that, just saying to the point you said, drugs may not harm the person but they could harm other while they are under the drug, it's like there is a drug that is pretty legal that does that
Bateman
amazing country, low crime rates, amazing and liberal people, if theyir language wasn't so hard then i'd move there.


The crime rates aren't that low, Amsterdam is quite a dangerous city, the only thing the people are liberal towards is the use of certain drugs, if you're black or asian, good luck, you'll be needing it. Their language isn't that hard.
robinson999
the way you said it if a person carry on knowing the risk, most of them are not cared for by paid specialists, pretty sure your normal sunday league football can't afford that

But sports players don't actively aim to harm themselves. Someone who attempts suicide does, someone who ingests a substance they know is damaging to them is also actively aiming to harm themselves. So is someone who is treated for severe alcoholism, or eating, told the risks of their lifestyles, but carries on anyways.
Reply 88
Marco1
I don't think so. Drug addiction would probably increase and that creates all sorts of satellite crimes to fund the habit e.g. theft, robbery.

Before making this statement, look up a few facts. Addictive drugs, heroin and cocaine, the most so, cost less to produce than sugar. IMHO with these drugs being made cheap legally, people could see plainly all these drugs are going to do, is f*** up their lives, I think they would die out quickly, and drugs which can enhance ones life in moderation, pot, mushrooms, ecstasy etc, wouldn't have filler ingredients like rat poison in them, in term making them safer than alcohol and tobacco.
jklmn
Before making this statement, look up a few facts. Addictive drugs, heroin and cocaine, the most so, cost less to produce than sugar. IMHO with these drugs being made cheap legally, people could see plainly all these drugs are going to do, is f*** up their lives, I think they would die out quickly, and drugs which can enhance ones life in moderation, pot, mushrooms, ecstasy etc, wouldn't have filler ingredients like rat poison in them, in term making them safer than alcohol and tobacco.

tell that to coffee growers
Reply 90
It's a stupid idea. Perhaps it would be a practical "solution", but the law isn't about practicality.
Reply 91
Marco1
I don't think so. Drug addiction would probably increase and that creates all sorts of satellite crimes to fund the habit e.g. theft, robbery.

Before making this statement, look into it a bit. Addictive drugs, heroin and cocaine, the most so, cost less to produce than sugar. IMHO with these drugs being made cheap legally, people could see plainly all these drugs are going to do, is f*** up their lives. I think they would die out quickly. Drugs which can enhance ones life in moderation, pot, mushrooms, ecstasy etc, wouldn't have filler ingredients like rat poison in them, therefore making them safer than alcohol and tobacco.
Cupid Stunt
Smoking affects others around you.


If smoking cannabis was legalised, that would affect others too.
Reply 93
Topperfalkon
someone who ingests a substance they know is damaging to them is also actively aiming to harm themselves.


So I eat a big mac, I'm aiming to have a heart attack? :confused:
Dephect
Erm, bearing in mind this is still hypothetical, who said anything about "getting his (sexist) fix where and when he pleases"?

Im not sure many people would mind if people decided to swallow pills in a club, their choice and dosent affect others . Leaving a club having passive smoked x amount of cigarettes does affect people. A club just being an example.

Not really sure how you come to the nazi conclusion either, only makes you look laughable to be honest.


Again, if cannabis was legalised, that would definitely affect others too. So to legalise cannabis, yet keeping such dictating laws on tobacco, would be incredibly hypocritical. They are both smoked and they both contain tobacco. If you want to be democratic, equalise the laws for both. I think thats perfectly reasonable. You cant penalise smokers for what they do, yet aim to legalise Class A drugs. That just doesnt work.
caw123
So I eat a big mac, I'm aiming to have a heart attack?

No...
Reply 96
The only drug that should be legal is heroin. Everything else should be banned including ibuprofen, alcohol and tobacco.
Reply 97
It's the only sensible solution to the drug problem, but it's political suicide to even suggest it so it's never going to happen. You'll get the Sun posting pictures of some poor, irresponsible girl in hospital if such a bill is even proposed in Parliament and the MPs would realise that there's absolutely no chance of them keeping their seat if they back it.
CCJ
I hate how governments try to control our lives, do this, do that, don't do this, don't take that. They should make the consequences crystal clear, provide education and knowledge and if the individual still wants to take drugs, bloody let them then.


Yeah, that's what annoys me most. Governments consider the majority of their people to be plain stupid. Who even needs advanced education on it? It's pretty simple. The basic concept is most drugs harm the body and its at your discretion to take them. Such a passive approach by the government would eliminate much of the underground economy. Suddenly, all of those criminals wouldn't have much to fight for if everything was already legal and more accessible.

Like most have said though, none of this will happen in England or in the United States.
Reply 99
jklmn
Before making this statement, look into it a bit. Addictive drugs, heroin and cocaine, the most so, cost less to produce than sugar. IMHO with these drugs being made cheap legally, people could see plainly all these drugs are going to do, is f*** up their lives. I think they would die out quickly. Drugs which can enhance ones life in moderation, pot, mushrooms, ecstasy etc, wouldn't have filler ingredients like rat poison in them, therefore making them safer than alcohol and tobacco.


When you say "IMHO with these drugs being made cheap legally, people could see plainly all these drugs are going to do, is f*** up their lives" I think that is just supposition and wishful thinking and not a convincing argument. The prices would not be easy as you think to modulate. It comes down to supply and demand and drugs are one commodity which people are prepared to pay ridiculous money for. If drugs are made legal, then there is the future potential for advertising to come into the frame so prices would rise and the generally ignorant public would be manipulated, because that's what advertisers do, they try and make you think you need things you don't. Also, regarding your comment about filler ingredients, if that doesn't turn people off nothing would and it obviously hasn't. Your no expert so do me a favour and don't tell me to "look into it a bit."

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