Anyone disagreeing with the cuts are greedy and only think about themselves!

Original post by Renal

Would you prefer to fire 11,000 more nurses?

Do you believe that cuts should involve everything except defence or do you have other interests? That's selfish.

The NHS is a financial blackhole. Cutting it's spending should force it too be more efficient which can only be a good thing.

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Original post by Aramiss18

The NHS is a financial blackhole. Cutting it's spending should force it too be more efficient which can only be a good thing.

All the government departments are black holes, they all swallow vast amounts of money and, oddly, never make a profit. Defence included.

Of course cutting the available money does force anyone to be more efficient, cut your income and you'll eat less well, cut money to the nhs and it'll deliver care at a lower quality, cut money to defence and we limit the way we fight wars. Do you think this is a good thing?

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GeorgeLegg

Original post by RDL445

Yes its sounds great to keep on spending money we dont have now.

But lets face facts.

If we dont cut back now and SPEND ONLY WHAT WE HAVE then we are creating a bigger problem for our children.

People agreeing with the cuts should look at the bigger picture. We are spending money we dont have, we are borrowing money every single year. Our interest payments are at 50BILLION a YEAR. That could go a massive way to improving public servies or cutting taxes!

If we carry on borrowing then cuts in the future when **** really hits the fan will be far worse, far deeper and far more damaging.

Do you want your kids living in an area with no or very public services? Put up with it.

What most people in this thread are missing entirely though is the fact that, in majority, we are students who don't have families to support; don't have jobs in the sectors that the government is targeting and can't speak for anyone affected by the cuts unless we feel it ourselves.

It is fully understandable the amount of discontent and rage flying about at the moment, and although I don't condone the violent protests I still empathise with those people.

Yes, we need cuts OP, but think first before you try and troll with the classic "you're all greedy and selfish" and realise unless it's a millionaire complaining about the raise in tax on private jets, they've probably got some justification.

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Original post by Renal

All the government departments are black holes, they all swallow vast amounts of money and, oddly, never make a profit. Defence included.

Of course cutting the available money does force anyone to be more efficient, cut your income and you'll eat less well, cut money to the nhs and it'll deliver care at a lower quality, cut money to defence and we limit the way we fight wars. Do you think this is a good thing?

I'm sorry but don't find this analogy to be at all accurate. If one's income decreases one doesn't starve one is just forced to shop more effectivelyand utilise offers, cheaper supermarkets and become more disciplined. I don't see how this cannot be applied to the NHS and MOD. I don't doubt your expertise on the issue being a medic but I am positive the NHS could absorb cuts by trimming the admin fat that has developed around all governmental bodies in recent decades and sourcing materials more efficiently. The same of course applies to the MOD and having spoken to a few officers in the Army they have said that spending on equipment is inefficient and poorly targeted.

Of course I don't want to see cuts to a department that is charged with the health of the population and I like the principle of the NHS much more than say a US style of healthcare but when all departments are absorbing hefty cuts (including the MOD at a time of war) I do not see why the NHS cannot do the same. Although I do feel for the NHS given the lazy mentality of the UK population when it comes to obesity etc which do it no favours.

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HJV

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Original post by RDL445

If we dont cut back now and SPEND ONLY WHAT WE HAVE then we are creating a bigger problem for our children.

If you don't have enough income for your spending level, there's two things you can do. 1) Increase income, or 2) decrease spending.

You're only taking option 2 into consideration. Why so?

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Original post by Aramiss18

Of course I don't want to see cuts to a department that is charged with the health of the population and I like the principle of the NHS much more than say a US style of healthcare but when all departments are absorbing hefty cuts (including the MOD at a time of war) I do not see why the NHS cannot do the same. Although I do feel for the NHS given the lazy mentality of the UK population when it comes to obesity etc which do it no favours.

The NHS is absorbing hefty cuts. :rolleyes:

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Original post by HJV

If you don't have enough income for your spending level, there's two things you can do. 1) Increase income, or 2) decrease spending.

You're only taking option 2 into consideration. Why so?

Ignoring, for the moment, arguments about stimulating public sector growth, keeping business in the UK and minimising public sector unemployment, tax income is projected to rise. Why not do more? The TUC aren't going to be happy about that either unless, like the cuts, they affect everyone else but me.

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Maker

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Original post by Aramiss18

Of course I don't want to see cuts to a department that is charged with the health of the population and I like the principle of the NHS much more than say a US style of healthcare but when all departments are absorbing hefty cuts (including the MOD at a time of war) I do not see why the NHS cannot do the same. Although I do feel for the NHS given the lazy mentality of the UK population when it comes to obesity etc which do it no favours.

If Britain had a US style healthcare system, it would cost twice as much, fewer people will get it and the outcomes will be lower.

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karateworm

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Very few people are saying that we shouldn't cut, we obviously should.

What people are saying, is that cutting as furiously and as deeply as the coalition is, will cause irreparable damage to communities and the economy.

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porn induced coma

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Original post by imperial maniac

I'm afraid I can no longer agree with any cuts made by Cameron after they claim they HAVE to cut the NHS and increase university fees, then a little bit later fire £55 million worth of tomahawk missiles into Libya to save a bunch of rebels that I don't give a damn about.

You read my mind.

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Original post by Maker

If Britain had a US style healthcare system, it would cost twice as much, fewer people will get it and the outcomes will be lower.

I never said I supported a US style healthcare system.

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Original post by Renal

The NHS is absorbing hefty cuts. :rolleyes:

I know, I was simply stating why I support such measures and my opposition to opinion against NHS cuts.

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Joinedup

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Original post by Abbadon27

I agree. People know we need to make cuts but they think they shouldn't affect them.

Well naturally the cuts are going to take the form of redundancy of those actually providing the services cos it's the most straightforward thing to do - we never get round to looking at highly paid council fatcats (the 9000 public sector employees on a higher salary than the PM) or inefficient processes.

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atheistwithfaith

Original post by RDL445

Yes its sounds great to keep on spending money we dont have now.

But lets face facts.

If we dont cut back now and SPEND ONLY WHAT WE HAVE then we are creating a bigger problem for our children.

People agreeing with the cuts should look at the bigger picture. We are spending money we dont have, we are borrowing money every single year. Our interest payments are at 50BILLION a YEAR. That could go a massive way to improving public servies or cutting taxes!

If we carry on borrowing then cuts in the future when **** really hits the fan will be far worse, far deeper and far more damaging.

Do you want your kids living in an area with no or very public services? Put up with it.

Obviously something has to be done, but the question is whether THIS is the right thing to do. As others have mentioned, corporations and banks get it very light compared to the everyday man in terms of where the cuts hit - then there is the issue of these organisations not paying their fair share of tax and getting let off.

There are so many different places cuts can be made - but are the ones they have targeted the most sensible? As opposed to cutting a few things very heavily, why not spread the burden more evenly.

Then there is the fact that really, cutting is almost meaningless because our debt is so great -- the only way we can get out of this is by growing our economy and all efforts should be put towards doing that. One of the big ways countries can grow their economy is by creating skilled graduates and entrepreneurs and retaining them. Now if you have just experienced a huge crisis caused by excessive lending and you are telling your young people that it's fine to rack up a £40,000+ debt before they even get a job that just seems crazy to me.

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