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Edexcel - Chemistry Unit 2 - 4 June 2013

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Reply 60
Thank you Zoey! I sort of understand that bit, its just when it gets a bit more complicated i.e. how to find the lone pairs in the 1st place haha.
Original post by felicity95
Thank you Zoey! I sort of understand that bit, its just when it gets a bit more complicated i.e. how to find the lone pairs in the 1st place haha.



Lone pairs=( group number - number of electrons used up in bonding )/2
For example ammonia NH3 is in group 5 and so has 5 outer electrons.. out of these 3 are used in bonding. hence the lone pairs = (5-3)/2 = 1 lone pair

so as it has one lone pair and three bond pairs ..and the lone pair-bond pair repulsion is more than bond pair-bond pair repulsion it makes an angle of 107

the 107 angle is 2.5 less than the expected tetrahedral angle which is 109.5 because of the lone pair in it.
http://www.meta-synthesis.com/webbook/45_vsepr/balloon3.jpg
Looking forward to this exam, generally speaking, it's easier if you've already done/doing A2. I need 105 ums in this exam for my A overall in chem, hopefully I can pull this off :smile:

If anyone has any questions, just post them here, the others or myself will be able to help.

:yy:
Reply 63
Original post by felicity95
Thank you Zoey! I sort of understand that bit, its just when it gets a bit more complicated i.e. how to find the lone pairs in the 1st place haha.


ooh my bad :colondollar: haha
Reply 64
If anyone needs help with the VSEPR theory, I found this link incredibly helpful

http://www.adichemistry.com/general/chemicalbond/vsepr/vsepr-theory.html
Reply 65
thanks everyone. I think i understand this much better. :biggrin:
Reply 66
Original post by UnknownGirly
Lone pairs=( group number - number of electrons used up in bonding )/2
For example ammonia NH3 is in group 5 and so has 5 outer electrons.. out of these 3 are used in bonding. hence the lone pairs = (5-3)/2 = 1 lone pair

so as it has one lone pair and three bond pairs ..and the lone pair-bond pair repulsion is more than bond pair-bond pair repulsion it makes an angle of 107

the 107 angle is 2.5 less than the expected tetrahedral angle which is 109.5 because of the lone pair in it.
http://www.meta-synthesis.com/webbook/45_vsepr/balloon3.jpg


Thanks for this. What about SO2? How do you fins how many electrons are used for bonding?

And in the above website for SCL4, how is it that sulfur has more than 8 electrons in a shell?
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Reply 67
Definition of allotropes?


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Original post by NilFBosh
Definition of allotropes?


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Different structural forms of the same element existing in the same physical state. ?
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Reply 69
Original post by NilFBosh
Thanks for this. What about SO2? How do you fins how many electrons are used for bonding?

And in the above website for SCL4, how is it that sulfur has more than 8 electrons in a shell?


http://diewissenschaft.wiki.hci.edu.sg/file/view/sulfur_dioxide.png/299205074/sulfur_dioxide.png

here's the dots and cross for SO2.
cross for Sulphur, dots for oxygen
& 2 bond pairs, 2 lone pairs, hence, the V-shaped angular shape
Reply 70
Original post by TheKingOfTSR
Different structural forms of the same element existing in the same physical state. ?


That's correct! :smile:
I'm not too sure if same physical state is strictly correct. Although I would imagine in this unit they would be referring to structures of solids :smile:

Original post by NilFBosh
Definition of allotropes?


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Same elements but different structural arrangement like TheKingofTSR stated :smile:

The most common example is, carbon... three of it's allotrops are; Diamond, Graphite & Buckyball (C60).
Reply 71
Original post by Zoeyyy
http://diewissenschaft.wiki.hci.edu.sg/file/view/sulfur_dioxide.png/299205074/sulfur_dioxide.png

here's the dots and cross for SO2.
cross for Sulphur, dots for oxygen
& 2 bond pairs, 2 lone pairs, hence, the V-shaped angular shape


That dot and cross diagram of SO2 makes a lot more sense to me :smile:

I sometimes see sulfur dioxide like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Z60kzbFyxFM/TB9ukVO6YsI/AAAAAAAAADc/I8LDqfJIx4s/s1600/apes3.png

I even saw on chemguide SO2 shown with two double bonds :confused:
Reply 72
Original post by NilFBosh
My problem is with shapes of molecules and ions. I need to know if there is a definite list of what to know or is there some way of knowing the shapes. I know the shapes of molecules which don't have lone pairs. But molecules with lone pairs is the problem for me how do you how many lone pairs are there in molecules like SO2? I don't know how to draw dot and cross diagrams for those types of molecules. Please help someone!!!


Check the CGP book for AS level chemistry, page 64 to 65 "Shapes of Molecules" - tells you everything you need to know.
Original post by posthumus
That dot and cross diagram of SO2 makes a lot more sense to me :smile:

I sometimes see sulfur dioxide like this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Z60kzbFyxFM/TB9ukVO6YsI/AAAAAAAAADc/I8LDqfJIx4s/s1600/apes3.png

I even saw on chemguide SO2 shown with two double bonds :confused:


:yep: SO2 has double bonds in it.
Reply 74
Original post by James A
:yep: SO2 has double bonds in it.


But does it have two or one ?

I see both O-S=O
&
O=S=O
Original post by posthumus
But does it have two or one ?

I see both O-S=O
&
O=S=O


SO2

O=S=O
:yep:
Reply 76
Original post by James A
Looking forward to this exam, generally speaking, it's easier if you've already done/doing A2. I need 105 ums in this exam for my A overall in chem, hopefully I can pull this off :smile:

If anyone has any questions, just post them here, the others or myself will be able to help.

:yy:


Um.. how much would that make if we're considering out of 80, and not 120? :colondollar:
Original post by Zoeyyy
Um.. how much would that make if we're considering out of 80, and not 120? :colondollar:


We can't say yet, because the grade boundaries haven't been out yet!!!

:tongue:


I need to aim for 70/80 marks, to be guaranteed of 105, but depending on the grade boundaries of course!
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Reply 78
Original post by James A
We can't say yet, because the grade boundaries haven't been out yet!!!

:tongue:


I need to aim for 70/80 marks, to be guaranteed of 105, but depending on the grade boundaries of course!


Yeah I meant the "estimated" value haha :tongue: well good luck :biggrin:
Original post by Zoeyyy
Yeah I meant the "estimated" value haha :tongue: well good luck :biggrin:


Thanks :biggrin:

Wbu? You in year 12?

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