Holocaust memorial day posters defaced in East London

Denying the holocaust happened isn't solidarity. Denying the holcaust happened gives oxygen to some rather unsavoury extremists on the right wing. Continental right wing extremists make our right wing extremists look like the WI.

The right wing? What would you say is the political leaning of publications which have been accused of inviting Hamas stooges who have a history of antisemitic comments?

Within Europe, it's our right wing nutters that tend to gain from holcaust denial.

Middle Eastern holcaust denial is just a game in which to:
A) p*ss Israel off.
B) antagonise the jewish community by strengthening the right wing.

It's a big like not liking a girl you know who's been raped so to annoy her you come out with comments like rape is a woman's fault.

Yes, but I think general antisemitism is no longer the preserve of the far-right.

Denying the holocaust happened isn't solidarity. Denying the holcaust happened gives oxygen to some rather unsavoury extremists on the right wing. Continental right wing extremists make our right wing extremists look like the WI.

you are conflating several different and separate topics as one.

1) Denial of the Holocaust
2) Anti-semitism
3) People sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians.

Now one and two may be related in many cases, but one can still not believe in the Holocaust but not be anti-semitic. If one was to deny the Armenian genocide like many people do, they aren't doing son because they necessarily dislike Armenian's, they may be doing it because they consider that the facts available do not come to that conclusion. Granted the whereabouts of 6 million Jews and millions of gypsies, disabled people and Slavs is a bit more difficult to explain away, but denying the holocaust does not automatically mean that one is anti-semitic.

Now to number 3. Just because someone is critical of Israel's policy in the occupied territories does not make them anti-semitic. It makes them a compassionate human. Just as one would grieve for a life when a Palestinian militant massacres a family in an illegal Israeli settlement in the West Bank, one also grieves for the loss of life when Israel destroys an entire neighbourhood with a resulting massive loss of life.

The first action does not make one 'anti-Muslim' any more than grieving for the Charlie Hebdo victims or criticising the attackers does. Equally criticising the Israeli government for the wanton destruction it delivers to the palestinian people does not make one anti-semitic.

It's one of those things that I remain genuinely shocked by. That someone person can be so twisted as to take one of the greatest human tragedies of modern times and belittle it.

There is rarely a low to which some nutter will not stoop.

Sadly, these days the three of them are all getting merged together. And that's the problem. They should be seperate issues, but unceasingly we're seeing pro palestinian groups attempting to gain support from the anto semtics.

Holcaust denial and anti semetism are linked in Europe. Holcaust denial is a code. A code that diminished the horrors of facism .

"Then one day I realized that a false picture of the German camps had been created and that the problem of the concentration camps was a universal one, not just one that could be disposed of by placing it on the doorstep of the National Socialists. The deportees, many of whom were Communists, had been largely responsible for leading international political thinking to such an erroneous conclusion. I suddenly felt that by remaining silent I was an accomplice to a dangerous influence....

"There never were any gas chambers, nor any exterminations by that method at Auschwitz-Birkenau."

What makes the holocaust bad isn't so much the raw nubmers killed, but the whole idea of a industrialised extermination machine run by a developed country. The deaths in China were mostly indirect, due to famine. In Russia they were really just killing those who opposed them.

I don't know - why would Paul Rassinier, a French resistance fighter, who helped smuggle Jews from German-occupied France into Switzerland. and was sent to concentration camps, want to diminish the horrors of facism? Rassinier wrote:

For which Princeton jewish academic Adorno Mayer noted that evidence was rare to non-existent? Are you aware that Paul Rassinier, a french resistance fighter who helped smuggle jews from France into Switzerland, and was sent to. US Pathologist Dr Charles Larson autopsied hundred of bodies after the war finished 1945 and never found any cases of poisoning. concentration camps, subsequently wrote that gas was never used to kill people? British Intelligence intercepted German communications from 1942 onwards and also never picked up anything to suggest that. As US judge Van Roden wrote and the interrogators of Hoess admitted, torture was used to extract confessions. The deaths in camps were largely due to malnutrition, typhus outbreaks (for which zyklon was used to delouse inmates) and shootings.

For which Princeton jewish academic Adorno Mayer noted that evidence was rare to non-existent? Are you aware that Paul Rassinier, a french resistance fighter who helped smuggle jews from France into Switzerland, and was sent to. US Pathologist Dr Charles Larson autopsied hundred of bodies after the war finished 1945 and never found any cases of poisoning. concentration camps, subsequently wrote that gas was never used to kill people? British Intelligence intercepted German communications from 1942 onwards and also never picked up anything to suggest that. As US judge Van Roden wrote and the interrogators of Hoess admitted, torture was used to extract confessions. The deaths in camps were largely due to malnutrition, typhus outbreaks (for which zyklon was used to delouse inmates) and shootings.

The individual you've quoted wasn't a french resistance fighter and his claims of smuggling Jews aren't as supported as you might think.

Sadly this political prisoner wrote of his own personal experiences in Buchenwald and assumed that all concentration camps were the same.

There was no gas chambers at buchenwald, it was a labour camp.

Rassinier wasn't involved in the French Resistance?

The thing with Buchenwald and Dachau is that at the Nuremberg Tribunal wasn't it claimed gas chambers used to kill people in those camps? That version no longer seems to be accepted?

It's these inconsistencies, along with the other things raised above, that I think create some reasonable doubts about the extent gas was used in the manner claimed. Of course I can't say with high confidence that it wasn't used either.

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Truly not worth engaging with this guy -- He just wants to make it seem like the Holocaust never happened. Any conversation with him will be just an endless cycle. Thanks for making the effort, but just wanted to duly warn you!

I'm very worried where these loons are coming from.

I know iran has been pushing the holocaust denial line recently, but I cannot comprehend the native european and North American contingent who buy into this stuff.

I know that europe has had issues throughout it's history with anti semetism, but I guess it shows how long it takes to kill off a belief system.

How do they do it?

Normal family background until one day father decides to tell son how the Jews are the root of all evil?

Self radicalising on The Internet?

A desire to be different?

I haven't the foggiest idea, to be perfectly honest, but the recent rise of anti-Semitism in Europe is really worrying me.