You deserve to die if you eat meat

its really not, the last link o posted is to a vegan NFL player, he weighs like 21 stone. one of the guys is a 78 year old vegan body builder. i know the protein thing is often mentioned but its just not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ9sfVsBbS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dsS6Znhw5M
http://www.the300poundvegan.com/

You inviting louieja for iftaar?

Grown men aren't breast fed by the mothers, so why do they need milk?

B12 is found in bacteria, soil and water, which animals eat, hence, thats how they obtain it!!

http://www.vegetarian.org.uk/factsheets/b12factsheet.html
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm

Vitamin D- THE SUN.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=84 - tells you where to get your omega 3 from soy etc.

Hiya, according the poster who quoted me you can get violife from holland and barretts which is nice, maybe worth a try?

Vitamin B12 -Fortified foods(like soya milk), nutritional yeast, seaweed...

Vitamin D3 - SUNLIGHT

Omega 3 - Seafoods, walnuts, flaxseeds

Yeah, it must of been so annoying when Abraham Lincoln claimed slavery was wrong as well.

its hard to just bring up some stats off the top of your head, but it is true that meat is a way less efficient means of feeding people. this may be slightly wrong but it takes something like 7kg of plant based foods to produce 1kg of beef. so thats 7kg people could be eating, that instead are fed to livestock. "

if every one became vegan it would help massively with world hunger. over grazing is a large cause of desertification, which probably leads to people going hungry. also, as livestock are fed grain and soy beans, which could be fed to people insteas, there is a massive amount of food wasted. it takes something like 7kg of grain to produce 1kg of beef, thats 6 kg of food that could have been fed to people. animal agriculture contributes massively to global warming, leading to droughts and floods which lead to hunger. there probably more but i cant just think of all this stuff off the top of my head

im fully calm, but you are laughing, i made some big long point about how important it is and then you go, yh but steak with a little laughing face next to it. im not having a go, but you were joking about veganism

This, I think, is the main reason vegetarianism/veganism for moral reasons are fundamentally silly.

Why?

I think the morals are sound

its not his opinion that you are being selfish, its fact, by the definition of the word selfish. what you are doing is putting your own wants before the entire lives of animals and the good of the global environment. all your getting out of it is a nice taste in your mouth, but the cost of that is an entire lifetime of an animal being depressed, scared and in pain, and on top of that your really damaging the environment. that is selfish, its not opinion.

changing to a vegan diet really isnt hard, its not drastic, its just changing stubborn peoples minds thats hard. you say its never going to happen, but if it doesnt global warming will **** up the world, so if it doesnt peolpe are actually going to die because of others being stubborn.

the thing you said about poor people has already been addressed pretty well by that other guy, i think you may have perlied, what about hunters etc.we're not talking about hunters, we're talking about people like you, living in developed countries, who have a choice. also, hunters etc make up a tiny percentage of the amount of meat eaten in the world, its not really important so theres no point in mentioning it.

the economy is not more important than the environment, when global warmings effects a fully being felt people arent going to be glad they saved the economy. any way, the economy will be ok, instead of raising cows and stuff, these people can grow crops instead.

im fully calm, but you are laughing, i made some big long point about how important it is and then you go, yh but steak with a little laughing face next to it. im not having a go, but you were joking about veganism

The argument is: it is bad/evil/immoral for humans to eat animals, but not bad/evil/immoral for animals to eat other animals.

I think that's flawed.

1. By that logic you are being selfish by putting your life before that of the plants you eat. Eating plants damages the environment too; it disrupts food chains, habitats and removes carbon sinks. But you're not about to tell me that you're going to stop eating plants.

Calling someone selfish is always by definition an opinion as it is based on your feelings and there is no such thing as scientific evidence that proves when someone is being selfish. I literally can't believe I'm even having to argue this point

2. I say it's never going to happen because it isn't. That's just a fact. The whole world is never going to up and go vegan no matter how strong your opinion may be on the matter.

3. The point about poor people was NOT addressed well by "the other guy", that person replied based on a limited Western perspective. Other people on this thread have also argued the reasons why poor people will not stop eating meat because one tells them to. I suggest you read those posts.

4. I don't know what perlied means, I'm not being sarcastic, I just genuinely don't.

5. There are more people living in developing countries than developed ones. Way more. So please don't tell me that your argument about switching to vegan solving global warming must only apply to people living in developed countries.

6. Regardless of whether or not the economy is more important than the environment, that doesn't change the fact that the global economy exists and will not allow for everyone to become vegan. It is the very simple concept of demand and supply, I suggest you look it up. I didn't ever say the economy was more important, I just said it would not allow global veganism.

I can't even begin to reply to the part in bold. You clearly know nothing about the economy so I'm not really going to bother.

Hey, you two- please do not argue over what I wrote. I dont know if you saw my explanation but like I said it was a misunderstanding, if you didn't see it please go and take a look. Its a few pages back. I genuinely didn't understand the whole concept of this thread, but now I get it.




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Meat doesn't just have protein. It has a bucketload of vitamins and minerals and it's all in one source of food.

And that NFL player is probably super rich and can order everything he needs lol. Vegan diets are expensive if you want to be healthy. ( I go for eggs usually as they're super cheap)