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C2 graph/logs question

Hey guys,

I'm a bit stuck with part 3 of this question. Mainly with rearranging the equation to get a half somewhere. I worked out the answer to the first half using a different method but I can't quite get the method they're using to get the answer to the y coordinate of p

x = -0.32

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Reply 1
Original post by Saywhatyoumean
Hey guys,

I'm a bit stuck with part 3 of this question, rearranging the equations to get a half in the equation. I worked out the answer to the first half of using a different method but I can't quite get the method they're using to get the answer to the y coordinate of p

x = -0.32

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please post your workings
Original post by TeeEm
please post your workings


Okay well I put the two equations equal to each other straight away and took logs of both sides:

(1/3)^x = 2(3^x)

Xlog1/3 = log 2(3^x)

xlog(1/3) = log2 + xlog3

Xlog1/3 - xlog3 = log2

X(log1/3 - log3) = log2

X= log2/log1/9

X= -0.32


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Original post by Saywhatyoumean
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If you've found xx, then you can just plug that value right back any of your two equations y=(13)xy= \left(\frac{1}{3}\right)^x or y=2(3x)y = 2(3^x) and they'll both give you the y-coordinate out.

It's kind of like how, if you have a line y=2x+3y = 2x +3 and y=x+4y = x + 4 then they intersect at 2x+3=x+4    x=12x + 3 = x + 4 \iff x = 1, which is the x-coordinate of the intersection, but also the y-coordinate is given by plugging that into y=2x+3=2(1)+3=5y = 2x + 3 = 2(1) +3 = 5 or y=x+4=1+4=5y = x + 4 = 1 +4 = 5.
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Original post by Saywhatyoumean
Okay well I put the two equations equal to each other straight away and took logs of both sides:

(1/3)^x = 2(3^x)

Xlog1/3 = log 2(3^x)

xlog(1/3) = log2 + xlog3

Xlog1/3 - xlog3 = log2

X(log1/3 - log3) = log2

X= log2/log1/9

X= -0.32


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Original post by Zacken
If you've found xx, then you can just plug that value right back any of your two equations
Unparseable latex formula:

y= \let(\frac{1}{3}\right)^x

or y=2(3x)y = 2(3^x) and they'll both give you the y-coordinate out.

It's kind of like how, if you have a line y=2x+3y = 2x +3 and y=x+4y = x + 4 then they intersect at 2x+3=x+4    x=12x + 3 = x + 4 \iff x = 1, which is the x-coordinate of the intersection, but also the y-coordinate is given by plugging that into y=2x+3=2(1)+3=5y = 2x + 3 = 2(1) +3 = 5 or y=x+4=1+4=5y = x + 4 = 1 +4 = 5.


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Original post by Zacken
If you've found xx, then you can just plug that value right back any of your two equations
Unparseable latex formula:

y= \let(\frac{1}{3}\right)^x

or y=2(3x)y = 2(3^x) and they'll both give you the y-coordinate out.

It's kind of like how, if you have a line y=2x+3y = 2x +3 and y=x+4y = x + 4 then they intersect at 2x+3=x+4    x=12x + 3 = x + 4 \iff x = 1, which is the x-coordinate of the intersection, but also the y-coordinate is given by plugging that into y=2x+3=2(1)+3=5y = 2x + 3 = 2(1) +3 = 5 or y=x+4=1+4=5y = x + 4 = 1 +4 = 5.


Thanks for this, I knew that but x was a very long decimal and subbing it in to get y didn't give me a nice answer of root 2, it was a few decimal places out so I didn't think I'd get the marks for doing that here? I'm not sure though


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Again thanks, I got roughly something like that but what happens to the 1^x in that - wouldn't it be 1^x/2 = 3^x ?

I feel like that's a stupid question


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Original post by TeeEm
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all the best


Thanks lol


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Original post by Saywhatyoumean
Thanks for this, I knew that but x was a very long decimal and subbing it in to get y didn't give me a nice answer of root 2, it was a few decimal places out so I didn't think I'd get the marks for doing that here? I'm not sure though


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You're not meant to use the decimal answer, you should use the exact value instead:

So you know that x=log2log19x = \displaystyle \frac{\log 2}{\log \frac{1}{9}}, then:

How can you work out 3x3^x exactly? Use the fact that 3log3m=m3^{\log_3 m} =m

Does that help?
Original post by Zacken
You're not meant to use the decimal answer, you should use the exact value instead:

So you know that x=log2log19x = \displaystyle \frac{\log 2}{\log \frac{1}{9}}, then:

How can you work out 3x3^x exactly? Use the fact that 3log3m=m3^{\log_3 m} =m

Does that help?


Ohh yes it does! Still would never have thought to do that in exam - but what about with this method:

So if (1/3)^x = (1^x/3^x) = 2(3^x)

1^x = 2 x (3^2x)

1^x / 2 = 3^2x ?

What happens to the 1^x ?




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Original post by Saywhatyoumean
Ohh yes it does! Still would never have thought to do that in exam - but what about with this method:

So if (1/3)^x = (1^x/3^x) = 2(3^x)

1^x = 2 x (3^2x)

1^x / 2 = 3^2x ?

What happens to the 1^x ?




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1^x = 1 for all x.
Anyone know which paper this is from?
Original post by Zacken
1^x = 1 for all x.


omg of course how did I not see that😂😂thanks!


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Original post by anonwinner
Anyone know which paper this is from?


it's one of the OCR Solomon papers, H I think


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Original post by Saywhatyoumean
it's one of the OCR Solomon papers, H I think


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thanks

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