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    (Original post by swiftylol)
    What about Imperial, and UCL?
    I'm considering them, yes
    also considering Southampton, East Anglia, Birmingham, Westminster, Edinburgh, St Andrews and Bristol.

    yes I know, so many!! I dunno which 4 to choose besides Oxford (I'm definitely applying to Oxford) >.<
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    (Original post by anyone_can_fly)
    As lonelysoul193 (Paige?) said, it's not A-levels, it's Scottish Highers.
    Correct
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    (Original post by anyone_can_fly)
    Glasgow's a horrible, horrible place that deserves to be struck off the map but
    For teh lulz.

    Despite the fact that I've made five choices for UCAS, I'm starting to think that unless I get into Oxford (or at least LSE) I'm going to give the States a try, since I'm getting the feeling that the Ivy League > (UK - Oxbridge) as far as an overall uni experience is concerned.

    Anyone else feel the same/similar?
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    (Original post by Eldedu)
    For teh lulz.

    Despite the fact that I've made five choices for UCAS, I'm starting to think that unless I get into Oxford (or at least LSE) I'm going to give the States a try, since I'm getting the feeling that the Ivy League > (UK - Oxbridge) as far as an overall uni experience is concerned.

    Anyone else feel the same/similar?
    nah, I couldn't be arsed with being forced to take subjects I have no interest in.
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    (Original post by medbh4805)
    nah, I couldn't be arsed with being forced to take subjects I have no interest in.
    So judging by your sig you mean anything but classics

    True, but to be honest in my case I'd probably get credit for maths (that is to say, they'd let me avoid it) and I can't think of anything else that I would flat out dislike having to study further...
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    (Original post by Eldedu)
    So judging by your sig you mean anything but classics

    True, but to be honest in my case I'd probably get credit for maths (that is to say, they'd let me avoid it) and I can't think of anything else that I would flat out dislike having to study further...
    anything like business, economics, science etc, while I could probably succeed if I applied myself would bore me immensely. I like maths, but the reason I'm looking forward to university is that it'll give me a chance to specialise :dontknow:

    (I like modern languages too but I prefer to study them on my own and then talk to people on skype etc, conventional teaching doesn't do anything for me)
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    (Original post by medbh4805)
    anything like business, economics, science etc, while I could probably succeed if I applied myself would bore me immensely. I like maths, but the reason I'm looking forward to university is that it'll give me a chance to specialise :dontknow:

    (I like modern languages too but I prefer to study them on my own and then talk to people on skype etc, conventional teaching doesn't do anything for me)
    I see your point. From a personal stance though, and with Oxford seemingly retreating before my eyes, I'm feeling the pull of the West (or in my case the Northeast but whatever).
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    (Original post by Eldedu)
    For teh lulz.

    Despite the fact that I've made five choices for UCAS, I'm starting to think that unless I get into Oxford (or at least LSE) I'm going to give the States a try, since I'm getting the feeling that the Ivy League > (UK - Oxbridge) as far as an overall uni experience is concerned.

    Anyone else feel the same/similar?
    YES u shud! plus they only give out acceptances, rejects or waitlists :P so its unconditional no matter what If you have solid SATs, extracurriculars, awards and stuff like that Cornell shouldn't be a problem for you XP

    What major would you do in the states? and idk, i'm under the impression that US students party harder ;P but it's a 4 year thing sooo you'd be in school for one more year....and fees are generally at least twice as much as oxford for any ivy league :/ and european status dusn't help :P so you'd be in the same international boat as me XP

    edit: i take that back with the cornell :P you can probably make most of the ivy leagues with that SAT score of yours XP at 4HLs you'd be extremely strong....and i'd guess you'd have good extracurriculars and such so you should definitely go for it XP
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    (Original post by Eldedu)
    For teh lulz.

    Despite the fact that I've made five choices for UCAS, I'm starting to think that unless I get into Oxford (or at least LSE) I'm going to give the States a try, since I'm getting the feeling that the Ivy League > (UK - Oxbridge) as far as an overall uni experience is concerned.

    Anyone else feel the same/similar?
    The Ivy Leagues (or rather, american 'colleges' in general) take a... what I consider 'awkward' stance to education. For one the universities - sorry, colleges :rolleyes: - are geared to churning out money-makers rather than providing them with a solid background for success post-university/college/whatever. For another, entrance requirements for American colleges are almost completely flipped around to what UK unis expect - for example, the very obvious EC difference.

    For American (I'm just going to say unis from now on) they expect you to be a jack-of-all-trades who can play an instrument, participate in a variety of clubs, etc. Even more so with the Ivy Leagues, which expect you to do something truly spectacular (e.g. create a charity for the homeless or something else nonsensical). I'm all for extra curricular, and I'm in a lot of clubs myself - but I don't see how being in the Dance Club at school will aid someone's goal to be a doctor... There's no sense in being able to 'do it all' if the sole purpose of most students' lives is to achieve a particular career.

    Blah that was a lot of rambling. I have more to say but I can't be bothered at the moment. Really I'm just sort of against the whole system on principle. Despite the fact that I have numerous relatives in America and I enjoy some aspects of the country, I really don't want to subscribe to the whole factory-line college mindset there. :dontknow: Hope that made a little bit of sense, my mind is still in chemistry mode.
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    (Original post by Chunif)
    YES u shud! plus they only give out acceptances, rejects or waitlists :P so its unconditional no matter what If you have solid SATs, extracurriculars, awards and stuff like that Cornell shouldn't be a problem for you XP
    Oh God, on that note my dad and subsequent former-uni-mates/now friends all went to Cornell... they're kind of pressuring me to go there. One of my dad's friends is even starting some sort of program/something-or-other there and wants me to join it... then another of my dad's friends is telling me I can use his residence address if I want to go there to avoid the international fees. I'm just like... no thanks I'm good thanks for the offers but I like the UK D:
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    (Original post by punctuation)
    The Ivy Leagues (or rather, american 'colleges' in general) take a... what I consider 'awkward' stance to education. For one the universities - sorry, colleges :rolleyes: - are geared to churning out money-makers rather than providing them with a solid background for success post-university/college/whatever. For another, entrance requirements for American colleges are almost completely flipped around to what UK unis expect - for example, the very obvious EC difference.

    For American (I'm just going to say unis from now on) they expect you to be a jack-of-all-trades who can play an instrument, participate in a variety of clubs, etc. Even more so with the Ivy Leagues, which expect you to do something truly spectacular (e.g. create a charity for the homeless or something else nonsensical). I'm all for extra curricular, and I'm in a lot of clubs myself - but I don't see how being in the Dance Club at school will aid someone's goal to be a doctor... There's no sense in being able to 'do it all' if the sole purpose of most students' lives is to achieve a particular career.

    Blah that was a lot of rambling. I have more to say but I can't be bothered at the moment. Really I'm just sort of against the whole system on principle. Despite the fact that I have numerous relatives in America and I enjoy some aspects of the country, I really don't want to subscribe to the whole factory-line college mindset there. :dontknow: Hope that made a little bit of sense, my mind is still in chemistry mode.
    Yeah perfect sense, and the unis-colleges monologue made me smile . I agree that joining the dance club doesn't make you a better doctor, but in my case my ECs are up-to-speed so that shouldn't be any trouble.

    Economically it would be a larger sacrifice assuming no financial aid (much more common in the US than the UK for international students). However, the fast-track to high paying careers that top-tier US universities provide is also extremely appealing to me personally: three acquaintances as examples: one a photography major making $70k a year in his second year at deloitte, another an economics major making $130k a year as regional VP with Hitachi in Chicago, and the third an economics major now working as an associate at a Wall Street firm making $100k in his first year. First two are UC Berkeley, third is Dartmouth. That kind of money is virtually unheard of in the UK.
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    (Original post by Chunif)
    YES u shud! plus they only give out acceptances, rejects or waitlists :P so its unconditional no matter what If you have solid SATs, extracurriculars, awards and stuff like that Cornell shouldn't be a problem for you XP

    What major would you do in the states? and idk, i'm under the impression that US students party harder ;P but it's a 4 year thing sooo you'd be in school for one more year....and fees are generally at least twice as much as oxford for any ivy league :/ and european status dusn't help :P so you'd be in the same international boat as me XP

    edit: i take that back with the cornell :P you can probably make most of the ivy leagues with that SAT score of yours XP at 4HLs you'd be extremely strong....and i'd guess you'd have good extracurriculars and such so you should definitely go for it XP
    Yeah dodging the conditionals will be nice
    I'm pretty solid for a States app I think, and I know I've said it before but I really do have a knack for impressing Americans.

    I'd be an econ major, politics minor (still stuck on PPE )
    Like I said, I'd think fees would be compensated by higher starting salaries...remains to be seen

    Thanks for the encouragement, I'm definitely going to try...
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    Oh God, on that note my dad and subsequent former-uni-mates/now friends all went to Cornell... they're kind of pressuring me to go there. One of my dad's friends is even starting some sort of program/something-or-other there and wants me to join it... then another of my dad's friends is telling me I can use his residence address if I want to go there to avoid the international fees. I'm just like... no thanks I'm good thanks for the offers but I like the UK D:
    omfg =_= u kidding me.....there's people who would kill for a chance like you have! :P if you can get in-state fees, that will probably parallel oxford's and if you factor in cheaper living costs..might actual be cheaper....X.X

    i went to class with a kid who knew one of the executives on the Cornell board of directors ....didn't do him any good though XP but his credentials sucked anyway XP

    Cornell's in NY, so its close to a gigantic metropolis, obviously good for business contacts and such.....although ithaca is reputedly quite cold XP
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    (Original post by Eldedu)
    Yeah dodging the conditionals will be nice
    I'm pretty solid for a States app I think, and I know I've said it before but I really do have a knack for impressing Americans.

    I'd be an econ major, politics minor (still stuck on PPE )
    Like I said, I'd think fees would be compensated by higher starting salaries...remains to be seen

    Thanks for the encouragement, I'm definitely going to try...
    oh wow XP that's surprising! considering econ isn't generally considered to be the most competitive major, unless you're applying to UChicago XP Hmmm... be careful about the high salaries though XP as you know, the US economy is in very bad shape... if americans can't find jobs...then it's even more difficult for internationals at times.... :/ but yes, the american dream is technically possible XP

    someone who worked worked for my dad graduated with top scores and a degree in finance from Columbia in NYC....couldn't find a job...took a gap year to tour south america...came back to asia to sit a government job =_=''

    obviously we have faith in ya but watch out
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    (Original post by Eldedu)
    However, the fast-track to high paying careers that top-tier US universities provide is also extremely appealing to me personally: three acquaintances as examples: one a photography major making $70k a year in his second year at deloitte, another an economics major making $130k a year as regional VP with Hitachi in Chicago, and the third an economics major now working as an associate at a Wall Street firm making $100k in his first year. First two are UC Berkeley, third is Dartmouth. That kind of money is virtually unheard of in the UK.
    True enough, but keep in mind that everyone in the US shares the same goal of getting to a high paying career. The issue with American unis taking in qualified students and spitting out - in theory - adults destined for golden careers is that pretty soon the well is going to dry up. The costs of going to uni in America, and resulting debts to be paid back (as you've already mentioned) are rather high. Assuming that people don't have a full scholarship, everyone will need to pay back the steep tuition fees after graduating from uni.

    Of course they will do this with the high-paying careers that an Ivy League education lends to them, but there are only so many careers out there; right after uni everyone needs to pay back their debts, everyone needs to get a good job, but there aren't enough six-figure jobs out there for all the graduates. What happens is people have to take a lower-paying job, except they're overqualified. Companies don't want to give someone with a PhD a job that someone with a high school diploma could do, so in essence all the roads lead to unemployment.

    I think I repeated myself a few times there, so sorry for that if I did. Anyway I'm not saying that everyone who graduates from an American uni is doomed to fail, but you have to realize not everyone who graduates from an Ivy League uni is destined for greatness either. Your acquaintances are doing very well, and that's great for them, but for everyone one person who succeeds and achieves their 'dreams', there is another who... well, doesn't. :/


    A question for you, though: are you planning to get a job and/or settle in whichever university's country you end up in? Or are you planning to do something else?

    (Original post by Chunif)
    omfg =_= u kidding me.....there's people who would kill for a chance like you have! :P if you can get in-state fees, that will probably parallel oxford's and if you factor in cheaper living costs..might actual be cheaper....X.X

    i went to class with a kid who knew one of the executives on the Cornell board of directors ....didn't do him any good though XP but his credentials sucked anyway XP

    Cornell's in NY, so its close to a gigantic metropolis, obviously good for business contacts and such.....although ithaca is reputedly quite cold XP
    Yeah I guess... as I've said though, not really keen on the whole American system (to wildly generalize), so... eh, rather not. Haha poor him. Should have worked harder though

    There is a stubborn mythology geek in me that wants to go to Ithaca purely because of... well... Odysseus.
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    A question for you, though: are you planning to get a job and/or settle in whichever university's country you end up in? Or are you planning to do something else?
    If I go to a UK uni I'll be applying to Sandhurst afterwards (technically through the Spanish army...we'll see how that works out bureaucratically...) and then around 3 years into comission I'd be heading to business school (most likely in Spain - IE or ESADE). From there, into one of the bigger Spanish companies, and hopefully get a reasonably high position in the South American branch.

    If I go to the States I'll try and get the best job possible initially and then after 3 years or so the same route I would have taken had I gone to the UK.
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    Good luck everyone
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    is anyone applying to Canadian or Australian unis?
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    (Original post by desy.kris)
    is anyone applying to Canadian or Australian unis?
    Canadian, simply because I am one. See what I did there... Haha anyway, it's more for the purpose of a back-up or a 'why not' but I'm really not planning to go to uni in Canada... There's nothing wrong with Canadian unis but I don't want to go to one because that's not part of the plan. In fact I know hardly anything about the Canadian uni application system versus what I know about UK uni stuff.

    Are you? If so, definitely feel free to ask me anything you ever wanted to know about Canadian unis... Though make it quick I'm flying out to England THIS SATURDAY (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I'll have wi-fi though yay.
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    Are you? If so, definitely feel free to ask me anything you ever wanted to know about Canadian unis... Though make it quick I'm flying out to England THIS SATURDAY (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). I'll have wi-fi though yay.
    Thinking of applying to McGill and U of Toronto: Worth it?

    Also how would you describe the difference between the two, they seem to enjoy equally good reputations...
 
 
 
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