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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    You're still arrogant and ignorant. As far as I'm concerned there's no point going any further with this, because it is clear from the outset than you're not interested in the information presented at the start of this thread. All the way through, post after post, has been your attempt at mockery. Don't get me wrong; I'm partial to a bit of mockery myself but I know when to stop.

    And it stops here.
    OK, I imaganed that it was Bruce Lee saying that las part to to me. I will comply.
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    (Original post by MJlover)
    Why do some people respond so unreasonably aggressive when someone mentions a conspiracy theory? What, has the mainstream media suckled you into a type of stockholm syndrome?

    As for Martyn*'s question of what Muslims think about this, I think the masons are desperate to infiltrate the Muslim world, with our hypocrite leaders to our establishment finance scholars, they are trying to get 'all bases covered'.
    Well, since the Hashashin seem to have totally dropped the ball and buggered off somewhere, those Masonic cats are in a position of most confident security...

    ...although, that's assuming they don't piss off one too many ululating arabs in the process...

    In all seriousness on the first point, though, it's because of David Icke and his lot and all the bozos and conspir junkies that the majority of society views all (yes, all) `Conspiracy Theorists` as nutcases who believe in some highly ludicrous ideas that would make the maximum security ward of Bedlum blush in embarrassment...:sigh::dontknow:
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    (Original post by fink)
    haha, i gave it a quick look. It quoted some obscure French historian and then asserted itself as fact, oh so very intellectual.

    The thing with conspiracy theorists is that they seem to believe the less evidence there is for something the more likely it is true. If you say there is a conspiracy and then find a lack of evidence, in some twisted way, this seems to bolster the belief. The same folks who believe that entire armies of extremely efficient teams of evil people can perpetuate, in complete secrecy, labyrinthian feats of subterfuge and destruction. Oh, but I'm one of the brainwashed masses - only you are right, yet you beleive something that 99.9% of people don't.
    I am not a conspiracy theorist. Oh wait.... your anti-historian as well!!

    The Freemasonic infiltration of Turkey is well attested:

    ADNAN OKTAR: Look, for years freemasonry has been preventing Turkey becoming a super-state. Otherwise the Turkish-Islamic Union would have been established a long time ago. They have also prevented the Turkish Union. They prevented industrialisation in Turkey. They instigated terror in the country. Turkey was on the point of vanishing completely in the run-up to the military coup on 12 September, 1980.

    Source: http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/E...-ISLAMIC_UNION

    Freemasonic invasion of Turkey:

    http://darultavhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1545.0

    Turkey Freemasons charged over coup plot to overthrow government:

    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/blog/?p=408


    Grand Lodge of Turkey:

    http://eng.mason.org.tr/
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    (Original post by Eclectic Styles)
    Well, since the Hashashin seem to have totally dropped the ball and buggered off somewhere, those Masonic cats are in a position of most confident security...

    ...although, that's assuming they don't piss off one too many ululating arabs in the process...

    In all seriousness on the first point, though, it's because of David Icke and his lot and all the bozos and conspir junkies that the majority of society views all (yes, all) `Conspiracy Theorists` as nutcases who believe in some highly ludicrous ideas that would make the maximum security ward of Bedlum blush in embarrassment...:sigh::dontknow:
    I think david Icke knows and believes in the power elite and their connections to Freemasonry like I believe it, but I won't go as far as him and suggest that Jews are reptilians. I think that is going a bit too far. Coincidentally, David Icke and his little campaign against the New World Order is irrelevant really. He's not the first to reveal the sinister plot (if it can be called a sinister plot) of the Freemasons; he won't be the last either.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    I am not a conspiracy theorist. Oh wait.... your anti-historian as well!!

    The Freemasonic infiltration of Turkey is well attested:

    ADNAN OKTAR: Look, for years freemasonry has been preventing Turkey becoming a super-state. Otherwise the Turkish-Islamic Union would have been established a long time ago. They have also prevented the Turkish Union. They prevented industrialisation in Turkey. They instigated terror in the country. Turkey was on the point of vanishing completely in the run-up to the military coup on 12 September, 1980.

    Source: http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/E...-ISLAMIC_UNION

    Freemasonic invasion of Turkey:

    http://darultavhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1545.0

    Turkey Freemasons charged over coup plot to overthrow government:

    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/blog/?p=408


    Grand Lodge of Turkey:

    http://eng.mason.org.tr/
    Urggh...yes linking to some tinfoil hatter sites to support your tinfoil hatter beliefs is not evidence for anything. Mainstream historians don't believe this and I think thier views are more valid than these websites, but I suppose historians are all part of the machine too.

    I only had a brief look and I found this "But God used His own vehicle and Turkey was saved at the last minute" Jesus Christ, and you expect me to take anything these websites say seriously.

    I would like to apologise for being so rude and aggressive though, but I'm tired and probably wont respond to this thread again.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    I am not a conspiracy theorist. Oh wait.... your anti-historian as well!!

    The Freemasonic infiltration of Turkey is well attested:

    ADNAN OKTAR: Look, for years freemasonry has been preventing Turkey becoming a super-state. Otherwise the Turkish-Islamic Union would have been established a long time ago. They have also prevented the Turkish Union. They prevented industrialisation in Turkey. They instigated terror in the country. Turkey was on the point of vanishing completely in the run-up to the military coup on 12 September, 1980.

    Source: http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/E...-ISLAMIC_UNION

    Freemasonic invasion of Turkey:

    http://darultavhid.com/en/forum/index.php?topic=1545.0

    Turkey Freemasons charged over coup plot to overthrow government:

    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/blog/?p=408


    Grand Lodge of Turkey:

    http://eng.mason.org.tr/
    Ermmm...Turkey was -- and probably always will -- remain a defiant, arrogant, macho, ****** pseudo-Islamic state because it kept getting raped by its neighbours and various other world powers throughout history as everyone else was pissed off at them for the exact same behaviours and attitude as I just said at the top of this paragraph.

    Hell, at one point (actually, multiple points), Russia could have totally taken over Turkey for its own because the Turkish are **** at fighting wars and pretty much rely on sneaky tactics and kissing the asses of rich, Western folks.

    The only thing I could say in their merit was that their Jannisaries and use of siege weaponary was unequalled for ages since the Gunpowder age but that's pretty much all they can boast about (and, oddly enough, they boasted about pretty much everything BUT just those two decent subjects...)

    The Freemasons stayed the **** out of the East because no-one could give a ****. Only very recently (in the grand scheme of things) have the Freemasons/neo-Illuminati/banking/industrialist families tried to stake a claim over there because the influence of the Western (culture, mainly, but not just that) society on the East has grown stronger, which now makes it easier for them to move in there...(I'm tired too, my words are becoming frazzled...)
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    (Original post by fink)
    I would like to apologise for being so rude and aggressive though, but I'm tired and probably wont respond to this thread again.
    I see no more future of Soviet Russia in thread, comrade? :sad:
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    I think david Icke knows and believes in the power elite and their connections to Freemasonry like I believe it, but I won't go as far as him and suggest that Jews are reptilians. I think that is going a bit too far. Coincidentally, David Icke and his little campaign against the New World Order is irrelevant really. He's not the first to reveal the sinister plot (if it can be called a sinister plot) of the Freemasons; he won't be the last either.
    Just a bit eh? :rolleyes:
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    The funniest thing about these crackpot theories is that people think that people clever enough to create these NWO plans would reveal themselves to basement dwellers on youtube by making hand-signals and secret handshakes.

    They are just a coallition of nutters and Muslims looking to blame somebody else for the state of the Muslim world.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    I was sent some information in a message on one of the other chat sites that I use to keep myself occupied when I'm bored. I got talking to one guy about Freemasonry and we got talking about Israel, because Freemasonry is essentially and fundamentally Jewish (i.e the Solomon Temple).

    He wrote,

    In the 1860s the City of London British-Israelite movement was initiated from within Freemasonry. Its goal was to establish a Jewish Masonic state in the Turkish province of Palestine. Initially British-Jewish Masonic families like the Rothschilds and the Montefiores provided the capital to build the infrastructure for anticipated wave of migration. Fast forward to the 1920s, after defeating the Ottoman Empire at the close of world war I, the British Zionist settlers established the British Mandate of Palestine in the former Ottoman Turkish province of Palestine, stealing the land from Ottoman soldiers by parachuting in Opium.

    And this is absolutely true.

    http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/layiktez.html

    scrolls down to "The Masonic State".

    According to the French historian Thierry Zarcone, the period from 1908 to 1918 could be called “The Masonic State”. The Union and Progress Party in power used freemasonry in its foreign relations. Deputations of mason parliamentarians went to Italy, France, Hungary and Germany. The freemason deputies claimed that with their effort, democracy, that is the French slogan of liberty, equality and fraternity, was prevailing now in Turkey and that the European powers should be of assistance. The Albanians had revolted against the Ottoman rule and the Italian parliament was about to vote an aid program for the rebels. After the intervention of the Grand Lodge of Turkey, the Italian freemasons in the parliament were effective and the motion failed to be carried.

    Mason's making a move in Israel, and a closer look at the Road Map.

    http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/j....asp?a=863&z=1

    According to Islam they are being attacked by Freemasons from the western world:

    Free Masons War Against Islam Part

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp2WP-BDsIs

    Could I ask what Muslims think of this too?

    Joseph Chamberlain in the 1890s was offering to help the Jews setup a homeland in Kenya in return for Money...
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    (Original post by Eclectic Styles)
    Ermmm...Turkey was -- and probably always will -- remain a defiant, arrogant, macho, ****** pseudo-Islamic state because it kept getting raped by its neighbours and various other world powers throughout history as everyone else was pissed off at them for the exact same behaviours and attitude as I just said at the top of this paragraph.

    Hell, at one point (actually, multiple points), Russia could have totally taken over Turkey for its own because the Turkish are **** at fighting wars and pretty much rely on sneaky tactics and kissing the asses of rich, Western folks.

    The only thing I could say in their merit was that their Jannisaries and use of siege weaponary was unequalled for ages since the Gunpowder age but that's pretty much all they can boast about (and, oddly enough, they boasted about pretty much everything BUT just those two decent subjects...)

    The Freemasons stayed the **** out of the East because no-one could give a ****. Only very recently (in the grand scheme of things) have the Freemasons/neo-Illuminati/banking/industrialist families tried to stake a claim over there because the influence of the Western (culture, mainly, but not just that) society on the East has grown stronger, which now makes it easier for them to move in there...(I'm tired too, my words are becoming frazzled...)
    I think you are the one with pure arrogance. Turks have fought and battled through many wars not to mention was one of the greatist empires OTTOMAN EMPIRE! Turks were one of the few countries who were against communism when others were completely sweeped. Churchill mentiones that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was one of the greatist leaders of the century. For your information Russia decided not to battle Turkey because Turks were fuelled with battling power and soul and feared that they could loose more than it wanted to.

    In the history turks do play secretly but so does britain, japan....thats the beauty of clever tactics.

    Your view on turks have disgusted me utterly. You should be the one labelled arrogant monster!!!
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    And you're 31 years old Martyn? Did you ever ask yourself where it all went wrong?
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    (Original post by Bubbles*de*Milo)
    Woot woot woot hello hello!!!! :ahee:
    ur a pali christian too? heyy!!
    im ethnically armenian so not an arab palestinian though lol. im from jerusalem
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    (Original post by Stanza)
    I think you are the one with pure arrogance. Turks have fought and battled through many wars not to mention was one of the greatist empires OTTOMAN EMPIRE! Turks were one of the few countries who were against communism when others were completely sweeped. Churchill mentiones that Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was one of the greatist leaders of the century. For your information Russia decided not to battle Turkey because Turks were fuelled with battling power and soul and feared that they could loose more than it wanted to.

    In the history turks do play secretly but so does britain, japan....thats the beauty of clever tactics.

    Your view on turks have disgusted me utterly. You should be the one labelled arrogant monster!!!
    Ataturk was a Freemason.

    http://thcforum.ning.com/profiles/bl...xperiment-with
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    (Original post by Redkicker)
    ur a pali christian too? heyy!!
    im ethnically armenian so not an arab palestinian though lol. im from jerusalem

    Sweet, my aunt lives there (not East Jerusalem though lol).

    My family are in Nazareth :awesome:
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    And you're 31 years old Martyn? Did you ever ask yourself where it all went wrong?
    Since I was 17 when I read J. Krishnamurti, but it could have been before then when my communist grandad got me interested in the classics like Greek mythology, for example.

    I was always the inquisitive boy who questioned everything whilst everyone else just accepted what they were given; what they were taught. At school I became somewhat of a loner because of this, especially towards the end before leaving school when I became totally peerless and without connections to family. I was a curiousity at school. They confiscated my books and reported me to the Social Services because I had an interest in the occult.

    They tried to prevent me from reading stuff.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Since I was 17 when I read J. Krishnamurti, but it could have been before then when my communist grandad got me interested in the classics like Greek mythology, for example.

    I was always the inquisitive boy who questioned everything whilst everyone else just accepted what they were given; what they were taught. At school I became somewhat of a loner because of this, especially towards the end before leaving school when I became totally peerless and without connections to family. I was a curiousity at school. They confiscated my books and reported me to the Social Services because I had an interest in the occult.

    They tried to prevent me from reading stuff.
    Sounds like you went to a religious school. :lolwut:
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Sounds like you went to a religious school. :lolwut:
    Catholic school; two of them. The first thing you notice when you walk into the primary school is the religious statues in the entrance hall and the little children in the canteen area singing Christian hymns.

    And in the high school, they were always looking out for kids who showed an interest in the occult, although they seemed to prize certain pupils who showed an interest in the "Tongues of Fire" Christian theatre group. They confiscated my books on Greek and Roman mythology and they reported me and many family to the Social Services. The fact that me and my brother were skinheads (our step-dad wouldn't allow us to have long hair) and we kept chickens in the back garden made the situation worse.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    I am not a conspiracy theorist. Oh wait.... your anti-historian as well!!

    The Freemasonic infiltration of Turkey is well attested:

    ADNAN OKTAR: Look, for years freemasonry has been preventing Turkey becoming a super-state. Otherwise the Turkish-Islamic Union would have been established a long time ago. They have also prevented the Turkish Union. They prevented industrialisation in Turkey. They instigated terror in the country. Turkey was on the point of vanishing completely in the run-up to the military coup on 12 September, 1980.

    Source: http://us2.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/E...-ISLAMIC_UNION
    And you claim that other people are anti-historian?????!

    Do you know anything about the author you just quoted?

    Quote the relevant source? All I see are articles about secularism?

    Turkey Freemasons charged over coup plot to overthrow government:

    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/blog/?p=408
    Evidence the military staff were freemasons?

    Grand Lodge of Turkey:

    http://eng.mason.org.tr/
    So?
 
 
 
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