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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    The problem with political views is that one person can think that something is left and another will think it's right so everything is totally subjective and there isn't a lot of room for cut-and-dried definitions. So whilst I'm mostly socially conservative I'm also more left wing economically (not communist) but I also support the legalisation of marijuana which a lot of conservatives balk at so what the heck am I lmao?
    Yeah, it's subjective but I think it's possible to place people on a spectrum relative to the political views of their countrymen.

    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Naturally, but inherent in contemporary manifestations of liberalism is the concept of loosening things up and maintaining ceaseless 'progressive' movement, almost whatever happens (intergenerationally) as a consequence, rather than trialling things, measuring/judging/perceiving effects, and tailoring/reforming policy accordingly
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you've written in the above quote seems to imply that you're more opposed to the pace, method of implementation and degree of certain changes rather than the ideology of liberalism itself.

    Faith schools are but one, classic, example of the liberal egalitarian agenda pushing on without first stopping to question e.g. is this conducive to the common good, in the public interest, or at least socially sustainable?
    Which specific issue regarding faith schools are you referring to here?

    As far as egalitarianism is concerned, are you opposed to the concept itself? I personally hold the view that some people are more gifted than others but, where possible, everyone should get the same opportunities to succeed.

    If you could save one member from relevant groups from catastrpohe which would you pick to save, in what order e.g. myself:Immediate family > wider family > friends > neighbours > indigenous inhabitants of the same: settlement > county > region > nation > continent > civilisation > foreigners
    I'm not sure that that is a great example when it comes to unwavering loyalty to a specific group of people, which is what I understand this:

    Keep it primitive:
    always stay loyal to your background/people)
    to mean. Selecting one person from each category also prevents you from accounting for scale (eg. 1 man from your city vs 100 from your country), something which is imperative when discussing unwavering loyalty.

    A better example is: if your relatively poor brother (top of your tribal priorities-maximum loyalty) stood to make large financial gain by inflicting poverty and starvation on a 10 million-strong country of otherwise healthy foreigners (bottom of your tribal priorities-minimum loyalty) and you had to either stop or aid him, what would you do?

    On the other hand, if you miscommunicated originally and meant something along the lines of 'all other things being equal, I prioritise the welfare of my kin>friends>etc. over strangers', then, as a general rule, I'd agree; it's simple biological programming and I suspect that the vast, vast majority of people would feel the same.
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    (Original post by dairychocolate)
    you're more opposed to the pace, method of implementation and degree of certain changes rather than the ideology of liberalism itself
    Broadly speaking, aye, albeit that I am aware that total liberty/equality is not socially/economically optimal and hence cannot support the concept of liberalism per sae (without qualification)

    Which specific issue regarding faith schools are you referring to here?
    The primary concern is current + future social division

    As far as egalitarianism is concerned, are you opposed to the concept itself?
    As above, as a pragmatic pluralist whilst I generally support diversity and inclusion I only favour egalitarianism with conditions (relating to pragmatism, and pluralism)

    where possible, everyone should get the same opportunities to succeed
    Indeed, within reason

    if you miscommunicated originally and meant something along the lines of 'all other things being equal, I prioritise the welfare of my kin>friends>etc. over strangers'
    I didn't, I deliberately framed it as an essentially existential exercise. You can duck the challenge to ethical/intellectual honesty, like a coward, or you can answer, the choice is yours, but in putting the quandary to you, I have usefully, concisely modelled the nature, and reason, for my 'tribal' loyalties (which you will find mirrored by the vast majority of the rest of humanity a la 'politics of identity')
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    I love that -100% Tribalism score.
    And 0% Authoritarian. Amazing.
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    (Original post by Vividly clear)
    They both have similarities but they are still greatly different philosophies.
    No they are not. In a Venn diagram they can both overlap. If they were so different that would not be possible. There is nothing inherently contradictory between the workers owning the means of production and maximising autonomy, political freedom and voluntary association. On the blurb of Das Capital you find the Marx quote "Let us finally imagine, for a change, an association of free men, working with the means of production held in common" . That is libertarian.

    You can not place libertarian and authoritarianism together. You are most likely mixing up two types of socialism and libertatinism as being the only types. Authoritarian top down socialism and the libertarianism we see in the US and to an extent the UK that is basically capitalist market fundamentalism. Those things are very different. But then a libertarian socialist ideology is very different to both those things that share the same terminology.

    There are political philosophies that adhere to both libertarian and socialist values. I just showed you are massive wiki of them. You get socialists who think you can only get to socialism down a libertarian route. Anarchism is just that.
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    You are a: Left-Leaning Anti-Government Interventionist Nativist Progressive

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    You are a: Socialist Anti-Government Interventionist Humanist Traditionalist

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    I might try the quiz again to see if I get different results.

    Could someone help me understand the above, please? I read the explanation that came with the results but could use a better explanation as I don't know much about politics. Also, according to the above, what UK political party would best suit me? Thanks.


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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    The primary concern is current + future social division
    I assume you're referring to certain Islamic schools that segregate genders on religious grounds, indoctrinate students with fundamentalist religious attitudes and teach non-standard curriculums, in which case I'd agree that that is not acceptable.

    As above, as a pragmatic pluralist whilst I generally support diversity and inclusion I only favour egalitarianism with conditions (relating to pragmatism, and pluralism)
    Yes, in terms of domestic policy, the general, overall aim would be the greatest possible benefit for the greatest number of number of citizens. If egalitarianism is at odds with that, then of course it becomes an issue. Generally speaking, though, providing equal opportunity and reward for endeavour/intellect/creativity etc. to all of a country's citizens seems a good goal to me.

    I didn't, I deliberately framed it as an essentially existential exercise. You can duck the challenge to ethical/intellectual honesty, like a coward, or you can answer
    If I had to make a list like yours (out of respect, since you seem to find this rather important), it'd be something along the lines of:

    Family > Friends > Acquaintances > British > Other

    With the disclaimer that there would be caveats and extenuating circumstances in certain extreme situations.

    Also, particularly as a child of immigrants myself, prioritising someone's life based on whether their ancestors are indigenous to this country would stick in my craw.

    I think it's worth mentioning that I find the idea that 'dodging' your exercise is cowardly to be rather amusing, lol! It costs me nothing to answer your hypothetical if I so desire.

    the choice is yours, but in putting the quandary to you, I have usefully, concisely modelled the nature, and reason, for my 'tribal' loyalties
    Right, you've listed your tribal loyalties in order of specificity, which offered me some insight into your way of thinking wrt said loyalties-thankyou. I answered your hypothetical (after you made a rather rude implication, I might add! lol), so now I'd like you to explain how your self-stated, as yet unqualified, utterly unwavering tribal loyalty would manifest itself in real life and answer the hypothetical in my previous post.
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    (Original post by dairychocolate)
    I assume you're referring to certain Islamic schools that segregate genders on religious grounds, indoctrinate students with fundamentalist religious attitudes and teach non-standard curriculums, in which case I'd agree that that is not acceptable
    Primarily yes, but more generally divisive/retrograde institutions (including those of other faiths) should be reformed/closed

    the greatest possible benefit for the greatest number of number of citizens
    My political philosophy is a little more nuanced than that i.e. Fourth Way pragmatic pluralism seeks to include a plurality of political views in discourse (excepting those that pose an existential threat to the very diversity of said system e.g. fascism/Islamism) and arrive at a consensus position on policy (which can indeed be sold on the basis of Benthamite calculus)

    Generally speaking, though, providing equal opportunity and reward for endeavour/intellect/creativity etc. to all of a country's citizens seems a good goal to me
    Agreed. It’s when people get purist/militant about it that I have a problem, or when they ignore associated social ills or else fail to see why/how related policy could/should be reformed/reversed

    as a child of immigrants myself, prioritising someone's life based on whether their ancestors are indigenous to this country would stick in my craw
    I understand, but you must understand that ‘third culture kids’ like yourself are the exception, not the norm – no matter how hard the Crony Capitalist powers that be attempt to dilute/disparage/denigrate/destroy the sense of place, heritage, ethno-cultural affinity, and related geographical, communitarian belonging/loyalties integral to the tribal/political identities of billions

    I think it's worth mentioning that I find the idea that 'dodging' your exercise is cowardly to be rather amusing
    I did say like a coward, there could be other explanations (but it looks to the observer like ducking a question, which is of course typically an act of cowardice)

    utterly unwavering tribal loyalty
    Careful with the assumptions, my stated hierarchy is not set in stone, I remain something of a meritocratic/responsive to social/security and related philosophical dynamics

    would manifest itself in real life
    For example, I see no sense in mass (particularly inter-civilisation) immigration when it fundamentally degrades the values (dignified progressivism), culture (Jesu-Christian in origin), customs (freedom of expression/presentation/fun/inclusivity), way of life (living life without fear/stifling political correctness), quality of life (net fiscal drain: £15,000,000,000 p.a.), and security (ISIS et al. domestic terror and insurgency through to lower level criminality and anti-social behaviour) of my:

    Immediate family > wider family > friends > neighbours > indigenous inhabitants of the same: settlement > county > region > nation > continent > civilisation

    answer the hypothetical in my previous post
    Didn’t think it was a serious question :dontknow:

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    Does say ‘humanitarian’ in my spoiler, and I’d be surprised if someone with your demonstrated personal qualities genuinely mistook me for someone who could, plausibly, be such a grotesque human being:mute:
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    You are a: Right-Leaning Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Nationalist Moderate
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    You are a: Conservative Pro-Government Multilateralist Humanist TraditionalistCollectivism score: -67%Authoritarianism score: 33%Internationalism score: 67%Tribalism score: -50%Liberalism score: -33%
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    Centrist Anti-Government Total-Isolationist Ultranationalist Reactionary
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    Right-Leaning Libertarian Isolationist Cosmopolitan Progressive
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    dont kno that i've seen anyone with the same, pretty accurate i guess altho i cant say ive ever seen myself as right leaning.
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    I answered maybe to everything, and I got this:

    You are a: Centrist ModerateCollectivism score: 0%
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    When I answered the quiz properly, I got this:

    You are a: Left-Leaning Anti-Government Non-Interventionist Nativist LiberalCollectivism score: 33%
    Authoritarianism score: -33%
    Internationalism score: -33%
    Tribalism score: 67%
    Liberalism score: 33%
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    Communist Pro-Government Interventionist Cosmopolitan Libertine !!

    Collectivism score: 100%
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    Internationalism score: 17%
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    Liberalism score: 83%
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    You are a: Left-Leaning Pro-Government Cosmopolitan Progressive

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    Liberalism score: 50%
 
 
 
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