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Reply 40
If people think computer games programming is "mickey mouse" they don't know whats involved.
Modern games programmers need to know software engineering, c++ a difficult language, A.I techniques, maths and tons more.

Anybody that can develop games will be able to work in the entire software development industry.
There remains an issue with all this. Sure, someone with a degree in golf course management makes you attractive to someone looking for a manager for their golf course - but a degree in maths, for example, makes you attractive to pretty much everyone. It's extremely unusual to stay in the same job throughout your career, and when you decide it's time for a change, your degree in golf course management will be decidedly less useful.

Not saying it's a bad idea to study golf course management if that's what you want to do - but, as other people have said, a degree seems the wrong approach. There are alternatives that cost less money and take less time that achieve mostly the same thing.
Reply 42
i agree
i mean before even reading this i did that so called strange mickey mouse degrees sounded very useful..its likely training for 3 years for ajob...the stuff you learn is applicable, whereas doing a normal subject often isnt
Reply 43
Dark Horse of the Race
I thought schadenfreude was happiness at the misfortune of others?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9B-ZoS0wvU

Kind of. "Misfortune" is a bit of a strong term to use in this context, though. In German it usually just means being pleased when someone you strongly dislike trips up and/or makes a fool of himself.
Reply 44
CombineHarvester
I guess these courses would be useful if you'd want to become a manager of a golf or bar/club. Or if you wanted to work for EA games or something but in general, it's poop.


And if you do a 'non-poop' subject (eg, English/History/Politics etc etc) you just end up in this massive pool of similar graduates, and possibly end up going into some mundane office job (I really hope this doesn't happen to me...)

But hey, society says your degree was worthwhile :yep:
Jacinta
And if you do a 'non-poop' subject (eg, English/History/Politics etc etc) you just end up in this massive pool of similar graduates, and possibly end up going into some mundane office job (I really hope this doesn't happen to me...)

But hey, society says your degree was worthwhile :yep:


Yes I agree tbf. Degrees like English and History are too generalised and won't be useful for 99% of jobs. I don't see the point of someone doing graduate level English unless they want to be a literary expert or English teacher. People doing golf management studies could become a golf resort manager and earn £60k whereas the English graduate is left with an office job. Like I said though, if you want a generic job you should go for generic degree. You'd have to do a PhD in a specific area after doing a generic "respectable" degree to get a good career IMO.
Reply 46
CombineHarvester
Yes I agree tbf. Degrees like English and History are too generalised and won't be useful for 99% of jobs. I don't see the point of someone doing graduate level English unless they want to be a literary expert or English teacher. People doing golf management studies could become a golf resort manager and earn £60k whereas the English graduate is left with an office job. Like I said though, if you want a generic job you should go for generic degree. You'd have to do a PhD in a specific area after doing a generic "respectable" degree to get a good career IMO.


Exactly, the whole 'golf management studies-pah' attitude operates under the assumption that everyone wants a 'generic job', when some people don't. You ask the people on that course and they won't be wanting to walk into a PR/IT/HR office anytime soon!
Reply 47
Tsukuyomi
This is a joke, golf mamagement, computer games programming, brewing and distillery, what next the i wonder?


Whats wroing with computer games programming and brewing?

While i admit brewing is a weird one. I'm sure its a fine art which need's a level of knowledge.
CombineHarvester
Yes I agree tbf. Degrees like English and History are too generalised and won't be useful for 99% of jobs. I don't see the point of someone doing graduate level English unless they want to be a literary expert or English teacher. People doing golf management studies could become a golf resort manager and earn £60k whereas the English graduate is left with an office job. Like I said though, if you want a generic job you should go for generic degree. You'd have to do a PhD in a specific area after doing a generic "respectable" degree to get a good career IMO.


Or get a 2.1/1st at a decent university in a "generic degree" as you put it and get onto a graduate training scheme at a multinational firm?

The writer of the article is being fairly ignorant to be honest. In my view, Mickey Mouse degrees are the degrees which aren't academically rigorous and, at the same time, provide the student with skills which aren't valued by any industry.

A degree in Computer Games programming, would, as many have already pointed out, be both adademically challenging and useful (very useful in fact) for a career in that area. Like other degrees which are labelled as "Micky Mouse degrees", that degree is nothing of the sort.
Grapevine
Or get a 2.1/1st at a decent university in a "generic degree" as you put it and get onto a graduate training scheme at a multinational firm?


Yes if you're going to a very good university you'll have an advantage. From what I know, having a degree such as English from an average/decent university won't give you a good chance at getting into a graduate training scheme.

Those who succeed in graduate training schemes usually have a good degree from a top university e.g. a 2.1 in economics from LSE will get you into a graduate training scheme for a top bank with a high salary job offered at the end of it. An English degree from a mid rank university won't even get you a look in. The only way I can see it happening is if it's from somewhere like Oxford/Warwick and you've got a 1st. For the vast majority of careers specialist knowledge is key, i.e. you have to show you will bring some relevant knowledge to the workplace. Educational institutions and the public sector are more flexible with degree choices if it's from a good university.
Tsukuyomi
This is a joke, golf mamagement, computer games programming, brewing and distillery, what next the i wonder?


LSE offer accounting. What's the difference?
.ACS.
They're vocational degrees with a specific purpose, and so very much worthwhile.


Agreed. Uni's shouldn't need to be non-vocational courses.
Reply 52
I am surpised about that article, but I think it is too much of a overgeneralistion of mickey mouse degrees. The people in the article may not be representative of the general employment of mickey mouse degrees, are in 'niche' markets and of course, things could change in a few years time, with a rise of interest in e.g. computer game programming.

(Off topic) Actually, there was other (smaller) article from the Times (which I cannot find now), that found many vocational unis had higher employment in the recession compared to Oxbridge, e.t.c., because Oxbridge leavers aim for the top jobs like bankers and lawyers, some of which are being lost in the recession.
Who said football studies is irrelevant?

Nobody!

We're saying these subjects should not be DEGREES as they arent qualifications, they're HOBBIES!

If someone cannot choose 3-4 subjects from 20 traditional A Levels, then they obviously arent academic! We should not be creating HOBBY A Levels just to pander to the unacademic!

The same with degrees!

If your subject isnt academic and you want to study it, take it up as a hobby or a BTEC, stop diluting degrees!
emmie19
(Off topic) Actually, there was other (smaller) article from the Times (which I cannot find now), that found many vocational unis had higher employment in the recession compared to Oxbridge, e.t.c., because Oxbridge leavers aim for the top jobs like bankers and lawyers, some of which are being lost in the recession.

I saw that, all top universities unemployment rates increased except Imperial which decreased.....
.ACS.
They're vocational degrees with a specific purpose, and so very much worthwhile.

No they arent

Computer Games Programming is basically for people who couldnt hack a real Computer Science degree because of the maths. Its like someone who wants to design cars, they dont want to do the engineering, they just want to draw the pretty pictures....
ChemistBoy
"Kirsty Derry, Director of HR operations, Coors Brewers (coorsbrewers.com) If graduates have a brewing and distilling degree, that's fabulous"

From this guardian article from 2007:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/apr/28/careers.graduates1

Brewing and distilling degrees are very well respected in the profession and have been going for a long time. Heriot-Watt (arguably the best place to study this degree in the world) has been offering degrees in brewing since 1903.

The brewing and distilling industry is massive and the degree concentrates on the technical skills people will need to be master brewers in the modern age, i.e. biotechnology, chemical engineering and chemistry for the most part, it isn't just a glorified 4 year piss-up. The skills graduates get from this degree are also applicable in other fields, such as pharmaceutical biotechnology - a huge industry in its own right and food production.

The fact that it gives you something interesting to talk about in other areas of employment is just another bonus as far as I can see.

Do you ever stop talking left wing crap?

So without brewing degrees, alcohol wouldnt be made anymore?

No, exactly.......!
Reply 57
Oh man, why the sudden turn against English/History in this thread?

The English and History graduates I know from last year at my university have done just fine, thank you...

I mean, sure, stick up for these degrees, great, but you don't need to actively put down others to do so.
Reply 58
Grapevine
In my view, Mickey Mouse degrees are the degrees which aren't academically rigorous and, at the same time, provide the student with skills which aren't valued by any industry.


Can I ask you to name a few, please?
Reply 59
billydisco

If your subject isnt academic and you want to study it, take it up as a hobby or a BTEC, stop diluting degrees!


You can't expect every single person in the world to like a subject from a list of twenty.
How are people taking these degrees diluting yours in any way?

Is it that your degree is easy, and you're assuming this fault is caused by others?

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