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    (Original post by Stowa & Hermes)
    Not advocating wearing the full keep. And their loafers dont come with a massive H on them either.
    Some do, or have done in past seasons. apologies if yours arent the ones im picturing.
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    (Original post by i_hate_teeth)
    The more I read this thread the more I think maybe I should look more towards a career in software/electronics... working for these banks seems like a big to do when it comes to the fashion side of things...does anybody know if VC firms are as fussy as IBs are when it comes to clothing.
    They aren't. the people that go into IB are. Plus, dont you want to be a trader.
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    (Original post by i_hate_teeth)
    The more I read this thread the more I think maybe I should look more towards a career in software/electronics... working for these banks seems like a big to do when it comes to the fashion side of things...does anybody know if VC firms are as fussy as IBs are when it comes to clothing.
    ...not worth basing career choices on tbf. And yes, pe,vc,hf guys will all have similarly expensive tastes - all ex bankers anyway...
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    (Original post by Stowa & Hermes)
    They aren't. the people that go into IB are. Plus, dont you want to be a trader.
    I want to get into VC. I've heard it's difficult to break into VC straight out of uni and that working for a BB is a good stepping stone into VC. If I had to work for a bank to get into VC i'd take trading over IBD any day of the week so that's my motivation for wanting to get into trading. If I can avoid working in an IB altogether and get straight into VC then I'll do that.
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    ^^You should start your own fund. After making some money trading. You could make alot more money and have more fun
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    (Original post by i_hate_teeth)
    I want to get into VC. I've heard it's difficult to break into VC straight out of uni and that working for a BB is a good stepping stone into VC. If I had to work for a bank to get into VC i'd take trading over IBD any day of the week so that's my motivation for wanting to get into trading. If I can avoid working in an IB altogether and get straight into VC then I'll do that.
    You do realise, that when it comes down to it, fundamentally VC is the basically the same as M&A/IBD? Youre liaising with, valuing and executing for companies in both roles. If youre not into IBD, then youre not into VC either. I'd comment that you probably dont fully understand this industry and have simply heard that Venture Capital is a nice career. You cant understand it, if youre claiming youd take a Trading role over IBD when your ultimate goal is VC...
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    (Original post by Stowa & Hermes)
    ^^You should start your own fund. After making some money trading. You could make alot more money and have more fun
    It's crossed my mind. I will definitely look into this at some stage, probably after I've done some work exp and I have more of an insight into banking.


    (Original post by Ross Johnson)
    You do realise, that when it comes down to it, fundamentally VC is the basically the same as M&A/IBD? Youre liaising with, valuing and executing for companies in both roles. If youre not into IBD, then youre not into VC either. I'd comment that you probably dont fully understand this industry and have simply heard that Venture Capital is a nice career. You cant understand it, if youre claiming youd take a Trading role over IBD when your ultimate goal is VC...
    Take it easy. You do realise that M&A/IBD isn't the only line of business that focuses on liaising with, valuing, and executing for companies?

    You're right, I don't fully understand the industry, are you implying that you do? I've heard that many careers are nice, that doesn't make me want to actively seek employment within those fields.

    You work in M&A, I would never work in M&A at an investment bank, don't take it as a personal attack, it's just something that I'm not interested in. My ultimate goal at this point is VC, managing my own firm. Even at this early stage in my career I can see that it would be useful to have people from a variety of backgrounds (not just m&a) when the time comes for me to establish my own business.
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    (Original post by i_hate_teeth)
    You work in M&A, I would never work in M&A at an investment bank, don't take it as a personal attack, it's just something that I'm not interested in. My ultimate goal at this point is VC, managing my own firm. Even at this early stage in my career I can see that it would be useful to have people from a variety of backgrounds (not just m&a) when the time comes for me to establish my own business.
    You do realise that VC is a form of PE which is pretty much exactly the same as M&A but on the buy-side?
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    (Original post by Ross Johnson)
    Sorry to say, but i baulk at the idea of non black shoes for work... Was brought up with a "never wear brown in town" view and will continue this.
    I never get this, black clashes with a navy suit. I always go brown, or more usually burgundy, with a navy suit. I'd rather seem a bit country than clash.

    As for the Monks, i Find them slightly pretentious and im sure theyre just a flash in the pan trend and will be back out in a couple of years - unlike brogues, oxfords and loafers, which clearly wont.
    Monks are a trend? Monks are a classic style that's been made for decades, whereas loafers are an Americanism that's been inappropriate for business in Britain until recently. Whether styles happen to have come in or gone out of fashion is neither here nor there. Classic styles are classic. John Lobb's been doing a classic double monk for far longer than any British manufacturer has been doing loafers.

    Having said that, loafers are a classic style, just a classic American dress-down style (deck shoes and the like). Using them with suits in the city is far more modern than wearing brown shoes for it. Not that either's inappropriate for it nowadays.
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    (Original post by 100)
    You do realise that VC is a form of PE which is pretty much exactly the same as M&A but on the buy-side?
    VC isn't pretty much the same as m&a at all. Venture capital is a broad subcategory of pe - primarily focused on the launch, and early development of a business. You should probably do some research on some of the larger VC firms and take look at the type of people who founded these companies. I think you'll find that they spent more time in the communications, electronics, and life sciences industry than working 100 hour weeks in m&a.
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    Been thinking about taking a gap year and continuing to grow my YE company. However as its quite client facing what do you guys think of the following wardrobe for the long term. Note: Not all in on one shoppping trip. And not some spoiled country kid from Eton. Actually black and state educated.

    3x Suits (2 Gieves & Hawkes of the rack and 1 Zegna) £2500
    2x Braces (Ede & Ravenscroft) £120
    6x Ties (Hermes) £800
    8x Shirts (CT) £200
    2x Oxfords (Loake) and (Allen Edmonds) £450
    2x Loafers (Hermes) £900
    6x Pocket squares (Thomas Pink) £180
    2x Watch (Stowa) and (Vinatege Rolex Datejust) £ 4500
    5x Cufflinks (Thomas Pink) £250

    Total - £9900
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    Hey guys, I'm just wondering. Are people in trading not fussed with suits, shoes etc.? If not and a trader WAS bothered about his clothing, would it matter?
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    (Original post by Stowa & Hermes)
    Been thinking about taking a gap year and continuing to grow my YE company. However as its quite client facing what do you guys think of the following wardrobe for the long term. Note: Not all in on one shoppping trip. And not some spoiled country kid from Eton. Actually black and state educated.

    3x Suits (2 Gieves & Hawkes of the rack and 1 Zegna) £2500
    2x Braces (Ede & Ravenscroft) £120
    6x Ties (Hermes) £800
    8x Shirts (CT) £200
    2x Oxfords (Loake) and (Allen Edmonds) £450
    2x Loafers (Hermes) £900
    6x Pocket squares (Thomas Pink) £180
    2x Watch (Stowa) and (Vinatege Rolex Datejust) £ 4500
    5x Cufflinks (Thomas Pink) £250

    Total - £9900
    Im pretty sure that the rule of thumb is that if you are spending more on pocket squares and braces than shirts you are going to come off as a douche.

    Srsly? You are going to shell out that much cash and then buy 8 shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt?? That just doesnt make any sense to me. And 200/8 = 25, dont know if even CT does shirts that cheap unless you go for single ply. And I wouldnt go single ply even for toilet paper.

    And fyi, Hermes ties on a sub 25 yo scream douchebag from miles away.
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    (Original post by hassi94)
    Hey guys, I'm just wondering. Are people in trading not fussed with suits, shoes etc.? If not and a trader WAS bothered about his clothing, would it matter?
    As an established trader, no one cares.
    As an intern & grad, normal rules apply - looks smart, doesn't need to be OTT.
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    (Original post by acies)
    Im pretty sure that the rule of thumb is that if you are spending more on pocket squares and braces than shirts you are going to come off as a douche.

    Srsly? You are going to shell out that much cash and then buy 8 shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt?? That just doesnt make any sense to me. And 200/8 = 25, dont know if even CT does shirts that cheap unless you go for single ply. And I wouldnt go single ply even for toilet paper.

    And fyi, Hermes ties on a sub 25 yo scream douchebag from miles away.
    Remember I'm not going to be working in IB with these garments. And CT does do shirts for £25. However I do see your point of being to conservative on shirts. Just not quite as fused. And industry professionals appreciate well dressed entrepreneurs. I'm not going to rub in the face of an IBD MD
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    (Original post by Stowa & Hermes)
    Remember I'm not going to be working in IB with these garments. And CT does do shirts for £25. However I do see your point of being to conservative on shirts. Just not quite as fused. And industry professionals appreciate well dressed entrepreneurs. I'm not going to rub in the face of an IBD MD
    Post in another forum if you want an opinion on entrepreneurial attire then. This is for IB... How are we meant to know what nondescript "industry professionals" want people to dress like. Personally, if i saw some teenager in Zegna suits and Hermes ties I'd think he was a massive ****... I'm in my mid twenties and i only just about feel like i pull the look off... There is such a thing as dressing your age and stringing top brands together doesnt mean you'll necessarily look good/command respect for it.
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    (Original post by Stowa & Hermes)
    Been thinking about taking a gap year and continuing to grow my YE company. However as its quite client facing what do you guys think of the following wardrobe for the long term. Note: Not all in on one shoppping trip. And not some spoiled country kid from Eton. Actually black and state educated.

    3x Suits (2 Gieves & Hawkes of the rack and 1 Zegna) £2500
    2x Braces (Ede & Ravenscroft) £120
    6x Ties (Hermes) £800
    8x Shirts (CT) £200
    2x Oxfords (Loake) and (Allen Edmonds) £450
    2x Loafers (Hermes) £900
    6x Pocket squares (Thomas Pink) £180
    2x Watch (Stowa) and (Vinatege Rolex Datejust) £ 4500
    5x Cufflinks (Thomas Pink) £250

    Total - £9900
    You'd look absolutely ridiculous.
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    (Original post by acies)
    . And 200/8 = 25, dont know if even CT does shirts that cheap unless you go for single ply. And I wouldnt go single ply even for toilet paper.

    .

    Tbf, they do 4 shirts for £100, which is excellent value in my opinion. I really do rate their shirts very highly.

    Nevertheless, I do get the impression this kid has just trawled the threads here and has used aforementioned brands to concoct an absolutely horrendous wardrobe for somebody aged presumably 18. £180 on pocket squares and 5 pairs of Thomas Pink cufflinks, braces...
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    800 quid on ties? rly?


    ....then 200 on shirts
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    (Original post by i_hate_teeth)
    VC isn't pretty much the same as m&a at all. Venture capital is a broad subcategory of pe - primarily focused on the launch, and early development of a business. You should probably do some research on some of the larger VC firms and take look at the type of people who founded these companies. I think you'll find that they spent more time in the communications, electronics, and life sciences industry than working 100 hour weeks in m&a.
    :rolleyes: M&A is about pricing and financing a company. PE is about pricing and financing (and running if they don't outsource it) a company. VC is about pricing and financing a start-up. So they're not the same thing, but they're similar skills, similar knowledge and techniques needed, as opposed to trading which is about knowing the market and making money from it.
 
 
 
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