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What's your view of PhD students who constantly name drop?

How do you deal with situations where a person constantly name drops and attempts to appear impressive via this route? I'm curious because I have noticed quite a few students doing this on my masters course and I feel it impedes the development positive working relationships. How do you 'manage' such situations?
Reply 1
Original post by booraad
How do you deal with situations where a person constantly name drops and attempts to appear impressive via this route? I'm curious because I have noticed quite a few students doing this on my masters course and I feel it impedes the development positive working relationships. How do you 'manage' such situations?

Well, it's a straightforward choice between ignoring the name-dropping and trying to beat them at their own game by name-dropping even more shamelessly, no?:dontknow: Personally I'd go with the former, because the latter might only egg them on.
Reply 2
Original post by hobnob
Well, it's a straightforward choice between ignoring the name-dropping and trying to beat them at their own game by name-dropping even more shamelessly, no?:dontknow: Personally I'd go with the former, because the latter might only egg them on.


I think part of the issue is that I feel tempted to say, "Cut the crap!". It's hard for me to pretend to listen without coming across very rude. What does 'ignoring it' entail for you?
Just beat them at their game. My name is Lord-Dr-King of the Western Sea-Sultan of the Sun.... etc.
Reply 4
Original post by booraad
I think part of the issue is that I feel tempted to say, "Cut the crap!". It's hard for me to pretend to listen without coming across very rude. What does 'ignoring it' entail for you?

Not taking any notice of it either way, i.e. neither responding in the way they clearly want you to nor letting on how much it annoys you. That is assuming you have to work / get along with them, of course. If you don't, you might as well tell them they're being pretentious idiots and that they're not fooling anybody.
Reply 5
I don't see why it needs to be 'managed'. Just give them a wide berth and socialise with people who aren't that insecure.
Original post by Craghyrax
I don't see why it needs to be 'managed'. Just give them a wide berth and socialise with people who aren't that insecure.


This, totally.

Some people just like to name-drop or brag. I know I feel tempted to brag when I got an A in a test that I hadn't revised for and others who actually tried only got a D/C. But I didn't, as that would be mean.

Let them have their moment in the sun. If it annoys you, find new people to hang out with.
Reply 7
Original post by Craghyrax
I don't see why it needs to be 'managed'. Just give them a wide berth and socialise with people who aren't that insecure.


This, but also in some situations maybe you're just being a bit sensitive to it? I know that I socialise with a lot of people in my field - both at my university and others - who have pretty high-profile, big name supervisors. We talk about department members - those we're working with and not - and some of them are very big names. It's not really bragging, it's just our lives. I hope that makes sense.

Also, when a HUGE name in my field is sitting in the back row of my conference panel while I'm presenting, I'm going to tell someone about that - not in a bragging kind of way but in a 'Holy Sh*t' kind of way.

When you get to this level, depending on the university you go to or the postgraduate community you have, it's just something that happens. People work with big-name professors.
Reply 8
Original post by Ellim
This, but also in some situations maybe you're just being a bit sensitive to it? I know that I socialise with a lot of people in my field - both at my university and others - who have pretty high-profile, big name supervisors. We talk about department members - those we're working with and not - and some of them are very big names. It's not really bragging, it's just our lives. I hope that makes sense.

Also, when a HUGE name in my field is sitting in the back row of my conference panel while I'm presenting, I'm going to tell someone about that - not in a bragging kind of way but in a 'Holy Sh*t' kind of way.

When you get to this level, depending on the university you go to or the postgraduate community you have, it's just something that happens. People work with big-name professors.


I'm not sure what to say to that... I think I don't care enough about 'big' names in the same way - I mean, I used to feel excitement, but it kind of died over time and I now think of them as pretty ordinary human beings. Perhaps that's why I'm 'sensitive' to it, because I'm not in awe of the names - so I perceive constant name dropping as 'blah blah' I'm forced to listen to. I realize I sound a bit unfriendly here, but it does get tiring having to feign excitement just to keep the conversation going. Some of the name-droppers don't even seem to know what these 'big names' have contributed to the field, just that they are worth approaching because they have a following. It's quite hard to avoid these individuals because I share a supervisor with one and others are always eager to name-drop around me.
Reply 9
Original post by booraad
I'm not sure what to say to that... I think I don't care enough about 'big' names in the same way - I mean, I used to feel excitement, but it kind of died over time and I now think of them as pretty ordinary human beings. Perhaps that's why I'm 'sensitive' to it, because I'm not in awe of the names - so I perceive constant name dropping as 'blah blah' I'm forced to listen to. I realize I sound a bit unfriendly here, but it does get tiring having to feign excitement just to keep the conversation going. Some of the name-droppers don't even seem to know what these 'big names' have contributed to the field, just that they are worth approaching because they have a following. It's quite hard to avoid these individuals because I share a supervisor with one and others are always eager to name-drop around me.


As unfortunate as it is, I think it's something that you might just have to get used to. People will always talk about the 'big name's - either in the way I described above (i.e. not in awe, but becasue they are people that we regularly associate with, have lots to do with, attend meetings and seminars with... in the same way that we talk about other postgrads) or because they want to seem as though they're cool (which, it sounds like is what you're more talking about.)

Stop feigning the excitement. Pretty soon, the name-dropping will stop if people realise that it's not winning them any points.
People name-drop in the hope that some of the famous academic's prestige will rub off onto them. It never does. I'm conscious of name-dropping when I was younger, and also conscious of making myself stop as I got older. I think as people get older, they realise the only way to 'prestige' (or rather, success) is to earn it themselves and get on with it quietly.
Maybe they're just being descriptive?
Reply 12
Original post by WaltzvWendt
Maybe they're just being descriptive?


I don't think it's that simple, mainly because loose relationships (really tenuous relationships) are highlighted over and above details on actual projects. It's like being in front of a name dropping machine gun with one particular girl.
Reply 13
I agree with brownbear88. I have never really understood the whole name dropping thing, or the overemphasis on deference from the student's perspective. An academic is a professional, but you are an adult and if you want something, for example, ask for it.

While it will depend on your area, in my experience academia is a very small community and it is hard for a student to appreciate just how well some lecturers know each other and how ridiculous the student will look if they feign a relationship with a lecturer they do not actually have.
Original post by Ellim

Stop feigning the excitement. Pretty soon, the name-dropping will stop if people realise that it's not winning them any points.

Yep, if you can't avoid spending time with the person in question, dropping subtle social discouragements into the exchange can work. Like keeping a dead pan face, looking bored or saying 'that's nice', in a monotonous tone of voice no matter what name the person drops :biggrin:

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