The European "War against Terror"

It sounds like an exchange. Last year Israel freed Lebanese Hezbolah militants in exchange for prisoners and the negotations which lasted for three years was conducted by the Germans.

This seems to be restricted to only Germany, so I don't see why you're having a dig at the whole of Europe, unless you have cases which concerns other European countries you would like to tell us.

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At the end of the day most countries dont give a rats ass about the USA's war on terror, why should we do what the US says all the time? If it means an exchange for a German citizen then so be it, if the US want him so bad go and get him,they like going into other countries and throwing their weight around after all.

Howie, you've softened...

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Allies my a**.

Um... Apagg, do you care to tell us which federal prisons have been shown to torture prisoners?

Also, you don't even know if the man would be convicted of the crime, but you're willing to allow him to evade due process because of the potential punishment for his alleged crime? That's a rather results-oriented outlook you have on the justice system.

There's great suspicion that the US tortures prisoners, though not necessarily at home. There may not be proof, but it would be morally reprehensible to risk it.
And evade due process? Whose? If I'm not mistaken, he's a German prisoner. There's nothing that says you get him too. They choose the punishment, not you. I think it's the slight to the American ego that's angered you.

There's great suspicion that the US tortures prisoners, though not necessarily at home. There may not be proof, but it would be morally reprehensible to risk it.

Anything is possible...Perhaps there is cannibalism and voodoo going on in British prisons...does that mean that the courts should not dish out any prison sentences because they don't want to risk that a convicted criminal will be forced to suffer in such conditions?




We have extradition treaties so that alleged criminals are sent back to a country that they are suspected of committing a crime in. In the case of this man, he was also convicted of a crime in Germany, so his extradition to the US for presecution should have been conducted immediately upon his release from German prison. They get to choose his punishment for his crime in Germany, but the United States has the right to put him on trial for his crimes in this country, just as Britain would have the right if he were suspected of crimes there.

It's the slight to legally-binding international treaties that angers me. Of course, it's not a surprise, as Europeans will sign any treaty without any intentions to obey it.

Anything is possible...Perhaps there is cannibalism and voodoo going on in British prisons...does that mean that the courts should not dish out any prison sentences because they don't want to risk that a convicted criminal will be forced to suffer in such conditions?




We have extradition treaties so that alleged criminals are sent back to a country that they are suspected of committing a crime in. In the case of this man, he was also convicted of a crime in Germany, so his extradition to the US for presecution should have been conducted immediately upon his release from German prison. They get to choose his punishment for his crime in Germany, but the United States has the right to put him on trial for his crimes in this country, just as Britain would have the right if he were suspected of crimes there.

It's the slight to legally-binding international treaties that angers me. Of course, it's not a surprise, as Europeans will sign any treaty without any intentions to obey it.

Oh, and Bizzy, when were Germany allies of the US? IIRC, they opposed the war on Iraq - not something allies do is it?

At the end of the day most countries dont give a rats ass about the USA's war on terror, why should we do what the US says all the time? If it means an exchange for a German citizen then so be it, if the US want him so bad go and get him,they like going into other countries and throwing their weight around after all.

Perhaps Germany suspects the last two conditions will not be met? America isn't known for treating suspected terrorists that humanely. And of course, there's the risk of the death penalty.

I do not view Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation.

Thing is, the US does.

So does the EU.



Because they were needed there during the Cold War and because the Germans have been whining that we don't remove all the troops at once for economic reasons.