Are nurses jealous of us?

7k? Um no.

Just to throw this out there... why is it that doctors/med students are supposed to be so carefully humble about their profession? I understand that they shouldn't be arrogant or rude about their salary etc. but surely in a personal sense anybody who chooses ANY career and is as motivated to pursue it as doctors have to be these days (not unlike other top paid professions) WOULD believe that other professionals have reason to be jealous of them because they think their job is the best out there, if they didn't they would've picked something else?

I'd expect the same from top class city lawyers, etc or anyone who's worked exceptionally hard to get where - they think its something amazing and that's why they choose it! in their eyes it is the best. I see it all the time that it's "allowed" for other science students or pharmacists to knock medics for various things, but when they do it back (in a banter sort of way) it's automatically arrogant? Why shouldn't nurses be a bit more humble too rather than just dare a med student to say the slightest thing so they can chew them up about it?

Not sure if I've explained this well lol I'm sleepy

care to enlighten me on this?

5 years is 2 more than 3 years, therefore:

2 multiplied by 3.5k = 7k

Studying Medicine costs more than tuition fees

i think its because some doctors give nurses a hard time, like on my placements you would always get a couple of doctors who are horrible to the nurses and think they are better than everyone else, or that dont explain things properly, like what they want doing and just expect us to know what they want/are after, which for a first year student isnt always that easy and that can lead to tensions.

also a lot of the time nurses dont get much respect for the work that they put in. plus if a doctor is running late or we are waiting for something for a patient, like to be seen by a certain doctor who doesnt turn up for 3 hours, then its the nurses that get it in the neck and face anger from the patients more often than the doctors, so i think a lot of it builds up and if it seems like the new student doctor is patronising towards them then it can sometimes come across as hostility towards them. it also depends on the med student themselves, there are some that are really nice and friendly, who also help out the student nurses (iv found that the med students on my placements were a lot better with explaining things to me as they did something because they are still learning too so it occured to them more to explain things than some of the senior doctors. if the med student is genuine and friendly then they will have an easier time and the nurses will be friendlier and more willing to help than someone who tries to hard with them.

Have you ever seen it from the medics side? As a nurse, however much hell breaks loose, you are on 1 ward with maybe 12 patients, this obviously depends on the ward and the ratios of nurses and HCAs on....now, expand your horizons, imagine being the medical F1 on ward cover across 10 different wards in different parts of the hospital. 30 pts per ward, thats 150 patients. Now, if 10% of them have a problem, thats 15 pts. Now, the 3 hour wait for the man who needs a catheter might seem more reasonable...Do you think medics just sit there doing nothing all day? This coming from the nursing profession, where alot of nurses simply don't do personal care anymore, or obs or feeding and divert their keen and penetrating degree level education to writing up care plans?

Stop criticising doctors, until you look at how your own profession treats HCAs - it's absolutly pathetic that because some parts of the profession are resentful or bitter that they can treat HCAs like ****. Some doctors are horrible to nurses, just as some nurses are horrible to doctors, and it is mostly the juniors who get the **** - why? Because those dumping the **** would never have the testicles to say any of it to the senior staff, and so they just abuse whoever they can.

Grow up. You see why not shadow the F1 for a day and discover how much **** they have to deal with. It's always just too easy to take pot shots from the cheap seats though.

care to enlighten me on this?

5 years is 2 more than 3 years, therefore:

2 multiplied by 3.5k = 7k

Tuition fees post year 4 (so one or two year) are also paid by the NHS, no?

Have you ever seen it from the medics side? As a nurse, however much hell breaks loose, you are on 1 ward with maybe 12 patients, this obviously depends on the ward and the ratios of nurses and HCAs on....now, expand your horizons, imagine being the medical F1 on ward cover across 5 different wards in different parts of the hospital. 30 pts per ward, thats 150 patients. Now, if 10% of them have a problem, thats 15 pts. Now, the 3 hour wait for the man who needs a catheter might seem more reasonable...Do you think medics just sit there doing nothing all day? This coming from the nursing profession, where alot of nurses simply don't do personal care anymore, or obs or feeding and divert their keen and penetrating degree level education to writing up care plans?

Stop criticising doctors, until you look at how your own profession treats HCAs - it's absolutly pathetic that because some parts of the profession are resentful or bitter that they can treat HCAs like ****. Some doctors are horrible to nurses, just as some nurses are horrible to doctors, and it is mostly the juniors who get the **** - why? Because those dumping the **** would never have the testicles to say any of it to the senior staff, and so they just abuse whoever they can.

Grow up. You see why not shadow the F1 for a day and discover how much **** they have to deal with. It's always just too easy to take pot shots from the cheap seats though.

I just wanna be nosy and ask if you're ACTUALLY a 2nd year medic at imperial? Considering term only started yesterday, it would be difficult for you to go on a placement at a hospital as part of your med course...?

Ok i'll give you living costs. But thats irrelevant because you'd still have to pay living cost regardless of whether you're still studying or not. What other costs have I left out? please enlighten me

Have you ever seen it from the medics side? As a nurse, however much hell breaks loose, you are on 1 ward with maybe 12 patients, this obviously depends on the ward and the ratios of nurses and HCAs on....now, expand your horizons, imagine being the medical F1 on ward cover across 5 different wards in different parts of the hospital. 30 pts per ward, thats 150 patients. Now, if 10% of them have a problem, thats 15 pts. Now, the 3 hour wait for the man who needs a catheter might seem more reasonable...Do you think medics just sit there doing nothing all day? This coming from the nursing profession, where alot of nurses simply don't do personal care anymore, or obs or feeding and divert their keen and penetrating degree level education to writing up care plans?

Stop criticising doctors, until you look at how your own profession treats HCAs - it's absolutly pathetic that because some parts of the profession are resentful or bitter that they can treat HCAs like ****. Some doctors are horrible to nurses, just as some nurses are horrible to doctors, and it is mostly the juniors who get the **** - why? Because those dumping the **** would never have the testicles to say any of it to the senior staff, and so they just abuse whoever they can.

Grow up. You see why not shadow the F1 for a day and discover how much **** they have to deal with. It's always just too easy to take pot shots from the cheap seats though.

It is very relevant because you are a full time student as opposed to a full time worker. Therefore you have to borrow lots of money to pay for your living costs.

Ok I get it, you have to borrow money, which means theres interest rate to pay on top of the money towards living costs which you'd have to pay regardless of whether you're studying. So how much extra would interest rate amount to?

What part of studying full time vs working full time do you not understand?

nonsensical ramblings .