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Reply 20
Original post by TenOfThem
180 or higher


Well that was quick! Thankyou :smile:
Reply 21
It doesn't matter how hard the paper is. The same number of people will get an A* everytime, possibly more each time due to grade inflation.
Reply 22
Original post by qwepoizxcmnb
Was the C3 paper really that hard?

As someone that does OCR maths the paper was difficult in some places, but all if it was answerable with knowledge I had from my syllabus, and I would assume would be on their syllabus.
Original post by Dualcore
As someone that does OCR maths the paper was difficult in some places, but all if it was answerable with knowledge I had from my syllabus, and I would assume would be on their syllabus.


All on the syllabus just unusual styled questions
Reply 24
Original post by TenOfThem
All on the syllabus just unusual styled questions


How did your students find it?

I had a go on Saturday afternoon just because of all the furore - I haven't tried to sit a complete exam in timed conditions for 25 years(!) - and I think I would say it was challenging but fair.

I would expect a student who had mastered and understood the material to do well on it, and a weaker candidate to struggle but still pick up marks for standard manipulations. Surely this is exactly what you would want a well-designed exam to do?

(I didn't exactly make it easy for myself: the TV was on in the background; I kept going in search of chocolate; and I felt artificially pressured for time because I had other things to do, although in fact I reckon it took me just under an hour to complete. Also, I only had Arsey's commented paper to work from, so I was stupidly trying to copy the original questions down from a screen without glancing at the answers, THEN trying to do the actual question itself - needless to say I didn't even try writing out the last question! I made couple of stupid algebraic errors, which I corrected when checking my work; couldn't remember what you were supposed to say to justify the accuracy of the numerical approximation; and missed the "extra" solution on the graphical solution problem. Everything else seemed straightforward.)

Have to say I've been a bit mystified by some of the comments floating around social media on this - people even suggesting that some teachers struggled to do the exam - surely that can't be right?!
Original post by davros
How did your students find it?



Better ones found it challenging but acceptable
Weaker ones struggled to find anything they could try :frown:

That is the beast of it I think ... weaker ones were not able to show anything that they could do



Have to say I've been a bit mystified by some of the comments floating around social media on this - people even suggesting that some teachers struggled to do the exam - surely that can't be right?!


I also misse the second solution but I did it in my standard time of about 30 minutes

There are some poor teachers out there :frown:
Original post by TenOfThem

There are some poor teachers out there :frown:


They will enjoy this read:

http://www.edexcel.com/i-am-a/student/Pages/C3-FAQs.aspx

ps
I did the paper in 29 minutes 59 seconds...of course.
Reply 27
Original post by TenOfThem
Better ones found it challenging but acceptable
Weaker ones struggled to find anything they could try :frown:

That is the beast of it I think ... weaker ones were not able to show anything that they could do



Not even questions 1 and 2? I thought they were pretty much bookwork given that questions like that are posted on TSR all the time!
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Original post by m4ths/maths247
They will enjoy this read:

http://www.edexcel.com/i-am-a/student/Pages/C3-FAQs.aspx

ps
I did the paper in 29 minutes 59 seconds...of course.


Clearly I rounded up to the nearest quarter of an hour



The email sent to schools is pretty similar ... I know lots of teachers who teach the text book rather than understanding so these unusual questions might well fool them !
Original post by davros
Not even questions 1 and 2? I thought they were pretty much bookwork given that questions like that are posted on TSR all the time!


1&2 yes I agree
Original post by davros
How did your students find it?

I had a go on Saturday afternoon just because of all the furore - I haven't tried to sit a complete exam in timed conditions for 25 years(!) - and I think I would say it was challenging but fair.

I would expect a student who had mastered and understood the material to do well on it, and a weaker candidate to struggle but still pick up marks for standard manipulations. Surely this is exactly what you would want a well-designed exam to do?

(I didn't exactly make it easy for myself: the TV was on in the background; I kept going in search of chocolate; and I felt artificially pressured for time because I had other things to do, although in fact I reckon it took me just under an hour to complete. Also, I only had Arsey's commented paper to work from, so I was stupidly trying to copy the original questions down from a screen without glancing at the answers, THEN trying to do the actual question itself - needless to say I didn't even try writing out the last question! I made couple of stupid algebraic errors, which I corrected when checking my work; couldn't remember what you were supposed to say to justify the accuracy of the numerical approximation; and missed the "extra" solution on the graphical solution problem. Everything else seemed straightforward.)

Have to say I've been a bit mystified by some of the comments floating around social media on this - people even suggesting that some teachers struggled to do the exam - surely that can't be right?!

As tenofthem mentioned, the bolded part may be unfortunately true. I'm sure they'd at least understand the solution though.
Original post by TenOfThem
1&2 yes I agree

You see, #1 puzzled me. The rest of the paper was okay, but I ran out of time for the last part of 8 as I gaped at teh Q for too long.
Reply 32
Original post by keromedic
You see, #1 puzzled me. The rest of the paper was okay, but I ran out of time for the last part of 8 as I gaped at teh Q for too long.


Now I took less than a minute to do Q1 because I saw it literally as a "follow the procedure" question and it came out nicely.

On the other hand, Q8 had me worried about when I was going to use all the information in the question - the "trick" being that most of the information in the question was utterly irrelevant :smile:
Original post by davros
Now I took less than a minute to do Q1 because I saw it literally as a "follow the procedure" question and it came out nicely.

On the other hand, Q8 had me worried about when I was going to use all the information in the question - the "trick" being that most of the information in the question was utterly irrelevant :smile:

Indeed. Ah well, there's C4 which is usually more straightforward. Do you teach (a) maths class(es) as well as (a) further maths class(es)? If so, was there a remarkable difference between the opinions of both on the exam?
Original post by TenOfThem
Clearly I rounded up to the nearest quarter of an hour



The email sent to schools is pretty similar ... I know lots of teachers who teach the text book rather than understanding so these unusual questions might well fool them !



I thought the second response was more firm in its stance of Edexcel being right in their mind (Which I happen to agree with in the long term)

I think the Oxford book will become more popular with edexcel students/teachers with the blue flash questions in from now on. :smile:
Original post by m4ths/maths247
I thought the second response was more firm in its stance of Edexcel being right in their mind (Which I happen to agree with in the long term)

I think the Oxford book will become more popular with edexcel students/teachers with the blue flash questions in from now on. :smile:

Do you agree that C3/C4 should be taught at a much increased pace (mimicking the FM pace)? That way, topics can be be reviewed in greater detail with loads of variety of types of questions as opposed to finishing late and imploring students to blast papers.
Original post by keromedic
Do you agree that C3/C4 should be taught at a much increased pace (mimicking the FM pace)? That way, topics can be be reviewed in greater detail with loads of variety of types of questions as opposed to finishing late and imploring students to blast papers.


I personally think (and this is my own view rather than that of any school I work for or have worked for) that students should take responsibility for learning outside the classroom and look to extend themselves.
My fear is the A level has become very formulaic, bitty and seen as discrete in terms of its learning.
Once GCSE are done, forget them
Once C1/2 is done forget them etc etc
I think it should be far more joined up and A* grades awarded to those who score highly in papers that are never predictable.
Im all for good students gaining top grades yet there needs to be something to really really make that top end hard to hit.
With adequate support good students (not necessarily THE most able) can get there with some sideways thoughts on maths, not number plugging and throw away modules.

Just my 2p :smile:
Original post by m4ths/maths247
I personally think (and this is my own view rather than that of any school I work for or have worked for) that students should take responsibility for learning outside the classroom and look to extend themselves.
True
My fear is the A level has become very formulaic, bitty and seen as discrete in terms of its learning.
Indeed. I'm a good example of this poor mentality. This is why I'm for the scrapping of Jan exams (though I think they should remain for resits) as there's no rush for learning content and topics could be covered it their entirety as opposed to learning it by module. For example: all of C3/C4 calculus throughout the yr.
Once GCSE are done, forget them
Surely people don't forget GCSE material?
Once C1/2 is done forget them etc etc
I guess... I think I've partially forgotten algebraic long division from C2
I think it should be far more joined up and A* grades awarded to those who score highly in papers that are never predictable.
More details on what you propose please :smile:
Im all for good students gaining top grades yet there needs to be something to really really make that top end hard to hit.
The amount of candidates getting As for Edexel maths is shockingly high!
With adequate support good students (not necessarily THE most able) can get there with some sideways thoughts on maths, not number plugging and throw away modules.
Just my 2p :smile:

Fair enough.
Original post by keromedic
Fair enough.


More details?
See my thread on the 100 things :smile:
Original post by m4ths/maths247
More details?
See my thread on the 100 things :smile:

I added to your quote in bold :smile:

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