The Jubilee, The Brainwashing, The Monarchy - Time to Wake up

That seems to be a common atheist attack on religious people on this forum. Don't see why it's such a problem here...

Because we are in a thread discussing the monarchy, in the context of the thread you cannot claim your comments were in complete isolation to everything around it.

Could you quote me to where I implied that after getting rid of the monarchy we would look back on it like we do aparteid or the Nazis in Germany. Any quote will do, just one, please, please! Ready for the excuses...

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the queen or any well known members of the royal family pose any real threat to the future our Britain, but it's the idea of inherited power that doesn't sit comfortably with me. All it takes is a few deaths and a few loopholes and before you know it some evil tyrant is sitting in the throne and we'd have no power to stop them.

If I were to do that I would essentially quote the first post and every post up to, and including your statement 'does that mean Jews should have got out of Germany?' (paraphrasing).

What could one person sitting on the throne actually do?
Very few people would follow them if they tried to gain extra powers, the majority of the public accept the Monarchy because it is purely a figurehead, if a Monarch went further there would be outrage. Personally I'd be more worried about an elected official using his power to change rules and essentially make himself ruler for life e.g Putin.

The thing is, colonialism and slavery is also Britain's heritage. Should we glorify, celebrate and embrace that?

Colonialism and slavery is part of every countries history. The British are the only group of people who can lay claim to abolishing slavery on an almost global scale. This is something we should be proud of, even if briefly dabbled in it.

YOU: If you want the UK to turn into another boring republic like France or the USA, then, like Gemnomnom said, move there.

ME: You could say that about anything. If Muslims don't like prejudice here, go on then, on your bike, back to where you came from. The suffragette movement, why didn't they get the hell out. Aparteid South Africa or segreated America, if those people didn't like it why the hell didn't they get out. In fact if the Jews had been quicker to get out of Europe they wouldn't have ended up in gas chambers would they. You've convinced me.

Do you agree that a policy of "If you don't like it, move somewhere else" is exactly what could be said to every political campaign that existed in respect of the circumstances mentioned above, it's devastatingly easy so see lol.

Your response: Because Monarchists are Nazis. WTF!?

There's no doubt that Britain is primarily and mainly guilty for a lot of events in their history, yet it is our heritage. My point is that nobody should celebrate and glorify something because of their heritage, but because of aspiration, achievement and success. What good did the monarchy bring? Very little compared to the negative elements of it's history

YOU: If you want the UK to turn into another boring republic like France or the USA, then, like Gemnomnom said, move there.

ME: You could say that about anything. If Muslims don't like prejudice here, go on then, on your bike, back to where you came from. The suffragette movement, why didn't they get the hell out. Aparteid South Africa or segreated America, if those people didn't like it why the hell didn't they get out. In fact if the Jews had been quicker to get out of Europe they wouldn't have ended up in gas chambers would they. You've convinced me.

Do you agree that a policy of "If you don't like it, move somewhere else" is exactly what could be said to every political campaign that existed in respect of the circumstances mentioned above, it's devastatingly easy so see lol.

Your response: Because Monarchists are Nazis. WTF!?

The monarchy only serve as a focus for our country. That is their sole purpose. They unify us in a way that I feel countries like France and Germany are missing. When we celebrate the Jubilee we are celebrating our island. It's about so much more than the Queen herself. Her reign and it's various anniversaries might be the marker for when we go out and party, and celebrate Britain, but it really isn't about her.

The monarchy only serve as a focus for our country. That is their sole purpose. They unify us in a way that I feel countries like France and Germany are missing. When we celebrate the Jubilee we are celebrating our island. It's about so much more than the Queen herself. Her reign and it's various anniversaries might be the marker for when we go out and party, and celebrate Britain, but it really isn't about her.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the queen or any well known members of the royal family pose any real threat to the future our Britain, but it's the idea of inherited power that doesn't sit comfortably with me. All it takes is a few deaths and a few loopholes and before you know it some evil tyrant is sitting in the throne and we'd have no power to stop them.

Where are you getting this idea that france and germany are missing a unity. I don't see any independence referendums in france and germany. Can't say the same about the uk, so much for unity.

And you point in the other post, so because people don't want a monarch they must move country, they can't actively express their views and try to gain a republic. That's like saying those that didn't agree with the labour government should also move country.

We could celebrate our 'island' by celebrating an elected President as a head of state - a la Irish style... And trust me, France and Germany are for more patriotic than the average Brit, who stereotypically prefers to moan about their country's shortcomings.

Your argument being, 'people should stick around and make a difference where they live for the things they believe in. Women (immorally oppressed) did it, black people (immorally oppressed) did it, Jews (immorally oppressed) did it so monarchists should be free to do it as well...'

Do you not think that that argument places negative connotations on the royal family whilst implying those in favour of a republic have right and morality on their side?

You don't see any independence referendums in France and Germany because they are homogenous countries you moron. How would one part decide they wanted to secede when they aren't a union?

I don't mind people expressing their opinions, but this constant bitching is ridiculous. Just get over it. If you moved to France or Germany you would realise that your life wouldn't be very different. President or Monarchy, you and your children and their children will stand zero chance of becoming that person. You will always be governed by someone who isn't you, and that will always be a point of contention for you.