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Mexican cartel takes brutality up a notch, killing children, harvesting their organs

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Reply 20
Original post by Ggmu!
You're not being serious!

Murder is bad and I wish it stopped, but it never will. Drug use will never stop, no matter what.

Instead of demonising users (who have been users from safe sources for all of human history except for now), pressure should be made to change the law.

The law is the problem, not drug users. Drug use is inevitable, absolutely inevitable.


I'm serious. I used to think like you. But there is no doubt none of this would be happening if selfish people would stop buying drugs.

Yes you are right the law should be changed.

I know drug use is inevitable. But drug users should know that they are one of the main reasons for this violence. They should know the horrifying result of their selfish actions. They are directly supporting civilian slaughter by purchasing drugs.

selfish selfish low life drug addicts......how do they sleep at night knowing that this unimaginable violence and brutality is caused partly by their actions?

They are the demand which fuels the supply
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Original post by ESPORTIVA
I'm serious. I used to think like you. But there is no doubt none of this would be happening if selfish people would stop buying drugs.

Yes you are right the law should be changed.

I know drug use is inevitable. But drug users should know that they are one of the main reasons for this violence. They should know the horrifying result of their selfish actions. They are directly supporting civilian slaughter by purchasing drugs.

selfish selfish low life drug addicts......how do they sleep at night knowing that this unimaginable violence and brutality is caused partly by their actions?

They are the demand which fuels the supply


It would be one way to solve the problem, but really, it's not going to happen, and why should it, you can just as easily say well it's the governments fault for making it unjustifiable illegal.

Do you buy Nike clothes, trainers, other sports wear, primark clothes, Apple products etc. etc. Because if you look at it the same way, you are doing just as much to contribute to the deaths and slave labour in those countries as drug users are in Mexico
Reply 23
Original post by arichmond64
It would be one way to solve the problem, but really, it's not going to happen, and why should it, you can just as easily say well it's the governments fault for making it unjustifiable illegal.

Do you buy Nike clothes, trainers, other sports wear, primark clothes, Apple products etc. etc. Because if you look at it the same way, you are doing just as much to contribute to the deaths and slave labour in those countries as drug users are in Mexico


Right now and forever stopping the demand will kill the supply (however i support legalization and support decriminalizing drugs). I don't think legalization would occur in our life time, so thats out of the question. But is it too much for people who have never taken drugs to well.....just not take them? why start?

Nobody is forcing people who have never used drugs, to start buying them. Why can't they take notice of the bloodshed and massacres in poorer countries and choose not to support the cartels? why follow your selfish pleasures knowing that it will cause harm elsewhere?

And why can't people who currently take drugs make a conscious decision and stop buying them? Surely if you are a moral, kind, human being who doesn't want to harm others you would put a stop to selfishly pursuing your pleasures and purchasing drugs (unless you are a low life drug addict)

this is also true for the nike, apple, etc products you mentioned. If you cared for the well being of the workers you wouldn't purchase the items.
Reply 24
Original post by ESPORTIVA
Right now and forever stopping the demand will kill the supply (however i support legalization and support decriminalizing drugs). I don't think legalization would occur in our life time, so thats out of the question. But is it too much for people who have never taken drugs to well.....just not take them? why start?

Nobody is forcing people who have never used drugs, to start buying them. Why can't they take notice of the bloodshed and massacres in poorer countries and choose not to support the cartels? why follow your selfish pleasures knowing that it will cause harm elsewhere?

And why can't people who currently take drugs make a conscious decision and stop buying them? Surely if you are a moral, kind, human being who doesn't want to harm others you would put a stop to selfishly pursuing your pleasures and purchasing drugs (unless you are a low life drug addict)

this is also true for the nike, apple, etc products you mentioned. If you cared for the well being of the workers you wouldn't purchase the items.


We should all grow our on food, make our own clothes, build our own cars, build our own homes and make our own drugs.

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Reply 25
Original post by Ggmu!
We should all grow our on food, make our own clothes, build our own cars, build our own homes and make our own drugs.

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yeah sure why not.

Or lets carry on paying and supporting drug cartels in war which has killed over 100,000 people. cuz i gots to gets ma fix!
Reply 26
Original post by ESPORTIVA
yeah sure why not.

Or lets carry on paying and supporting drug cartels in war which has killed over 100,000 people. cuz i gots to gets ma fix!


You've got double standards if you're willing to change here but you won't with your clothes, technology or pretty much ANYTHING really. Somebody gets hurt along almost any supply chain.

I do have to have my fix, for sure. I'll continue getting my fix.

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Reply 27
Original post by Ggmu!
You've got double standards if you're willing to change here but you won't with your clothes, technology or pretty much ANYTHING really. Somebody gets hurt along almost any supply chain.

I do have to have my fix, for sure. I'll continue getting my fix.

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I would change if anyone can 100% prove to me that me buying timberland boots causes the death of someone.

We know that the DEMAND of drugs is causing the increase in SUPPLY which has led to huge amounts of bloodshed, don't you see that? Oh but people have been using drugs forever so its okay to buy drugs off the cartels...............

So we should carry on DIRECTLY fund cartel brutality and bloodshed because we need our fix and aren't willing to change our selfish habits and because we don't do it with the brand of clothes, technology we use/wear?

Peter Hitchens was right nobody wants to do anything about demand.

ok i see you support the drug cartels and the misery they cause

All i see extremely selfish people not caring about the blood shed they have a hand in (pretend its not happening).
Original post by ESPORTIVA
I would change if anyone can 100% prove to me that me buying timberland boots causes the death of someone.

We know that the DEMAND of drugs is causing the increase in SUPPLY which has led to huge amounts of bloodshed, don't you see that? Oh but people have been using drugs forever so its okay to buy drugs off the cartels...............

So we should carry on DIRECTLY fund cartel brutality and bloodshed because we need our fix and aren't willing to change our selfish habits and because we don't do it with the brand of clothes, technology we use/wear?

Peter Hitchens was right nobody wants to do anything about demand.

ok i see you support the drug cartels and the misery they cause

All i see extremely selfish people not caring about the blood shed they have a hand in (pretend its not happening).


I hope you don't eat chickens, they get battery farmed and live in tiny little cages with 100s of other chickens, is this OK?

You're idea is good, but it will never happen, the only way to help is for the government to legalise the drug.

Plus....... there's plenty of cannabis farms all over the UK, you don't think all the weed in England comes from Mexico do you?

So should we all stop because there is a chance it's from Mexico?
Original post by Ggmu!
Disgusting.

The saddest thing is, the world doesn't seem to care about what has been happening in Mexico for all these years.


It's not that the world doesn't care, but rather the world is powerless to react unless the United States ends its idiotic War on Drugs, which is the reason Mexico has descended into complete and utter chaos.
Reply 30
Original post by arichmond64
I hope you don't eat chickens, they get battery farmed and live in tiny little cages with 100s of other chickens, is this OK?

You're idea is good, but it will never happen, the only way to help is for the government to legalise the drug.

Plus....... there's plenty of cannabis farms all over the UK, you don't think all the weed in England comes from Mexico do you?

So should we all stop because there is a chance it's from Mexico?


Your chicken argument is irrelevant. They aren't human and they are bred for food. The only purpose in a chickens life is to provide us with food. Nothing more.

Clearly you didn't read one my earlier posts where I mentioned that this does not apply to home grown cannabis.

I want legalisation but only a fool would believe that this would suddenly stop the cartels.

If in the first place the demand did not exist neither would the cartels, but too many worthless junkies are too stupid to realise that and won't take responsibility for their own actions.

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It doesn't surprise me. There's the lowest of the low in those parts and then there are people who are even beneath that. Sick scum. Some can't deal with it, some won't because corruption is rife. It's grim but a harsh reality.
Original post by ESPORTIVA
Your chicken argument is irrelevant. They aren't human and they are bred for food. There only purpose in a chickens life is to provide us with food. Nothing more.

Clearly you didn't read one my earlier posts where I mentioned that this does not apply to home grown cannabis.

I want legalisation but only a fool would believe that this would suddenly stop the cartels.

If in the first place the demand did not exist neither would the cartels, but too many worthless junkies are too stupid to realise that and won't take responsibility for their own actions.

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So are you just talking about Americans?

Well, they would have to legalise Cocaine I'd imagine, which is never going to happen.

Of course legislating would stop the cartels, who are they going to sell to, when you can go buy it at the same price, legally. You would also know it's pure etc.
Original post by ESPORTIVA
Your chicken argument is irrelevant. They aren't human and they are bred for food. There only purpose in a chickens life is to provide us with food. Nothing more.

Clearly you didn't read one my earlier posts where I mentioned that this does not apply to home grown cannabis.

I want legalisation but only a fool would believe that this would suddenly stop the cartels.

If in the first place the demand did not exist neither would the cartels, but too many worthless junkies are too stupid to realise that and won't take responsibility for their own actions.

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The problem with the cartels is that they are already richer than entire governments. Attempting to decriminalise drugs will just lead to cartels becoming more cunning. They own casinos, hotels, restaurants, you name it. They are diversified just as you would expect any shrewdly operated business to be.

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Original post by arichmond64
So are you just talking about Americans?

Well, they would have to legalise Cocaine I'd imagine, which is never going to happen.

Of course legislating would stop the cartels, who are they going to sell to, when you can go buy it at the same price, legally. You would also know it's pure etc.


See my post above. Cartels have more facets than just supplying drugs.

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Reply 35
Original post by addylad
The problem with the cartels is that they are already richer than entire governments. Attempting to decriminalise drugs will just lead to cartels becoming more cunning. They own casinos, hotels, restaurants, you name it. They are diversified just as you would expect any shrewdly operated business to be.

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I know. Hence why I said anyone who believes legalisation would make the cartels disappear is a fool

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Original post by ESPORTIVA
I would change if anyone can 100% prove to me that me buying timberland boots causes the death of someone.

We know that the DEMAND of drugs is causing the increase in SUPPLY which has led to huge amounts of bloodshed, don't you see that? Oh but people have been using drugs forever so its okay to buy drugs off the cartels...............

So we should carry on DIRECTLY fund cartel brutality and bloodshed because we need our fix and aren't willing to change our selfish habits and because we don't do it with the brand of clothes, technology we use/wear?

Peter Hitchens was right nobody wants to do anything about demand.

ok i see you support the drug cartels and the misery they cause

All i see extremely selfish people not caring about the blood shed they have a hand in (pretend its not happening).


The device you're using to post on this website definitely contains rare earth minerals; and now that China - where your device was made - dominates the market and mining of said minerals, you can bet someone died extracting it from the ground.

But that isn't going to tempt you to stop using your computer, phone and/or tablet.
Original post by ESPORTIVA
I know. Hence why I said anyone who believes legalisation would make the cartels disappear is a fool

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Rubbish.

50% of the Sinaloa cartel's income comes from marijuana alone.
Original post by ESPORTIVA
I know. Hence why I said anyone who believes legalisation would make the cartels disappear is a fool

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I was agreeing with you.

But I disagree about decriminalisation being a good idea. That will just make cartel operations legal. They already have the infrastructure and cash to blow any business that comes along out of the water.

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Reply 39
Original post by arichmond64
So are you just talking about Americans?

Well, they would have to legalise Cocaine I'd imagine, which is never going to happen.

Of course legislating would stop the cartels, who are they going to sell to, when you can go buy it at the same price, legally. You would also know it's pure etc.


Not just Americans. The cartels sell there product worldwide including Europe.

Who are they going to sell to? Well who are they selling to right now? The users!

Some drugs will never ever be legalised. And anyway drugs which are legalised tend to be a lot more expensive due to a much higher price caused by taxation on the products.

Such as in colorado where despite it being legal people still choose to purchase cannabis from the black market due to it being a lot cheaper than the legal variety.

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