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The amount of news today that shows what an utter mess the UK is in is beyond belief. We must leave the EU and stop mass immigration because they are destroying the UK:

Food bank use rises to 913,000!- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27032642

Immigration has caused a school places crisis-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/10768520/Tens-of-thousands-of-infants-miss-out-on-first-choice-primary-school.html

NHS is on its knees even Poland have over double the beds the UK does per person-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605615/Britains-hospital-bed-crisis-second-worst-Europe-marginally-better-China.html
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It's not all bad news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27047966

Besides, the UK is not part of Schnegen and could curb immigration without leaving the EU.
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By advocating "stopping mass immigration" and leaving the EU, you will of course have a plan to house and feed the current 2 million British citizens currently resident outside of the UK but elsewhere throughout the EU who will be forcibly returned to this country.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27046286

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Perhaps we should tell these european migrants announced today to sod off?
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(Original post by Quady)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27046286

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Perhaps we should tell these european migrants announced today to sod off?
Except it is about them paying less tax here than anywhere else so yes perhaps they should sod off
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Except it is about them paying less tax here than anywhere else so yes perhaps they should sod off
How...?

How will moving their European HQ to the UK reduce their UK tax bill?
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How...?

How will moving their European HQ to the UK reduce their UK tax bill?
because we have one of the worst records in Europe for managing and collecting corporate tax

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23019514

Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in the UK over 14 years and nothing in the last four years - despite sales of £400m last year.
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Hmm, yes, immigration is the problem. Not extensive cuts to public services by a brutal government or the lingering effects of a massive economic disaster. No, I'm sure those had nothing to do with the rise in food bank usage or decline of the NHS (which certainly hasn't been shockingly mismanaged by a party hellbent on pushing it towards US style privatisation.)
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Except it is about them paying less tax here than anywhere else so yes perhaps they should sod off
Or maybe we should actually enforce our tax code, stop the revolving door between senior HMRC/Treasury roles and private business, and stop giving corporations a free ride?
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Or maybe we should actually enforce our tax code, stop the revolving door between senior HMRC/Treasury roles and private business, and stop giving corporations a free ride?
Of course

but while we have such a week system and one open to corruption firms will take advantage
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(Original post by Ace123)
The amount of news today that shows what an utter mess the UK is in is beyond belief. We must leave the EU and stop mass immigration because they are destroying the UK:

Food bank use rises to 913,000!- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27032642
What have food banks got to do with the EU/mass immigration? :confused:

(Original post by Ace123)
Immigration has caused a school places crisis-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducation/10768520/Tens-of-thousands-of-infants-miss-out-on-first-choice-primary-school.html
80,000 children fail to get into the first primary school that their parents chose. How is this a crisis? If it is a crisis then how will leaving the EU deal with it (more migrants come from outside the EU than from within: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migrat...2013/msqr.html).

(Original post by Ace123)
NHS is on its knees even Poland have over double the beds the UK does per person-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2605615/Britains-hospital-bed-crisis-second-worst-Europe-marginally-better-China.html
How is the EU/mass immigration to blame for this?
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What have food banks got to do with the EU/mass immigration? :confused:



80,000 children fail to get into the first primary school that their parents chose. How is this a crisis? If it is a crisis then how will leaving the EU deal with it (more migrants come from outside the EU than from within: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migrat...2013/msqr.html).



How is the EU/mass immigration to blame for this?
Food banks have everything to do we immigration, mass immigration has driven up unemployment and also caused many Brits wages to be kept constantly low. The schools crisis is a direct consequence of immigration and is destroying our education system with schools speaking dozens of languages, British kids cannot learn and do I even dignify the NHS point with an answer millions of immigrants get free access to our NHS and it is overcrowded the system, Brits have to wait longer for treatment and servicws are being cut because so many people are now using the NHS it is a national health service not an international health service
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(Original post by Ace123)
Food banks have everything to do we immigration, mass immigration has driven up unemployment and also caused many Brits wages to be kept constantly low.
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The schools crisis is a direct consequence of immigration and is destroying our education system with schools speaking dozens of languages, British kids cannot learn
How is it a crisis though? ''Oh boo hoo, our little darling did not get into the school they wanted! Let's blame immigrants!''. Is this really a problem?

Do you have any evidence that schools are ''speaking dozens of languages''? If they are: how is this relavent to a ''school places crisis''?

(Original post by Ace123)
and do I even dignify the NHS point with an answer millions of immigrants get free access to our NHS and it is overcrowded the system, Brits have to wait longer for treatment and servicws are being cut because so many people are now using the NHS it is a national health service not an international health service
What has any of this got to do with a lack of beds in hospitals? ''Oh, our service has been under a lot of pressure recently. I know, let's sell all our beds!''.
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Food banks have everything to do we immigration, mass immigration has driven up unemployment and also caused many Brits wages to be kept constantly low. The schools crisis is a direct consequence of immigration and is destroying our education system with schools speaking dozens of languages, British kids cannot learn and do I even dignify the NHS point with an answer millions of immigrants get free access to our NHS and it is overcrowded the system, Brits have to wait longer for treatment and servicws are being cut because so many people are now using the NHS it is a national health service not an international health service
You have absolutely no proof for any of this. The argument that "mass immigration has driven up unemployment" is not based on any real facts. What if they are taking jobs British people don't necessarily want to do? Or that they don't always have the qualifications needed to take rewarding jobs?On top of this, you're completely ignoring external factors. Since 2007-8, there has been a recession throughout Europe which many countries are still struggling to recover from. This has a negative impact on the economy that you can't ignore.

And the EU is not JUST about immigration! Britain is not part of Shenghen or the euro, but it's still a part of Europe. Why? Because Europe is about having a free market (and being closest to Europe, I don't believe (I may be wrong) that the UK would not suffer from tariffs on its products). The EU is also about synergy, of knowledge, education, innovation and culture. It's about trying to keep Europe peaceful, trying to work together. Giving up on it so easily (for reasons which don't seem valid to me) makes it seem to me that you're trying to pin the problems on a "scapegoat".
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Hmm, yes, immigration is the problem. Not extensive cuts to public services by a brutal government or the lingering effects of a massive economic disaster. No, I'm sure those had nothing to do with the rise in food bank usage or decline of the NHS (which certainly hasn't been shockingly mismanaged by a party hellbent on pushing it towards US style privatisation.)
The cuts are a symptom of labours shockingly inept and negligent spending
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You have absolutely no proof for any of this. The argument that "mass immigration has driven up unemployment" is not based on any real facts. What if they are taking jobs British people don't necessarily want to do? Or that they don't always have the qualifications needed to take rewarding jobs?On top of this, you're completely ignoring external factors. Since 2007-8, there has been a recession throughout Europe which many countries are still struggling to recover from. This has a negative impact on the economy that you can't ignore.

And the EU is not JUST about immigration! Britain is not part of Shenghen or the euro, but it's still a part of Europe. Why? Because Europe is about having a free market (and being closest to Europe, I don't believe (I may be wrong) that the UK would not suffer from tariffs on its products). The EU is also about synergy, of knowledge, education, innovation and culture. It's about trying to keep Europe peaceful, trying to work together. Giving up on it so easily (for reasons which don't seem valid to me) makes it seem to me that you're trying to pin the problems on a "scapegoat".

How ow about training british people and graduates to equip them with skills to enter employment in specific areas instead of putting them on the scrap heap and relying on immigrants
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By advocating "stopping mass immigration" and leaving the EU, you will of course have a plan to house and feed the current 2 million British citizens currently resident outside of the UK but elsewhere throughout the EU who will be forcibly returned to this country.
What a stupid and ignorant comment to make.
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Evidence?<br />
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How is it a crisis though? ''Oh boo hoo, our little darling did not get into the school they wanted! Let's blame immigrants!''. Is this really a problem?<br />
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Do you have any evidence that schools are ''speaking dozens of languages''? If they are: how is this relavent to a ''school places crisis''?<br />
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What has any of this got to do with a lack of beds in hospitals? ''Oh, our service has been under a lot of pressure recently. I know, let's sell all our beds!''.
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You sound very naïve.
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You sound very naïve.
The catch-all response, folks, meaning 'I have nothing to counter your point so I'll just throw an ad hominem out there.'
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The catch-all response, folks, meaning 'I have nothing to counter your point so I'll just throw an ad hominem out there.'
That is hardly an ad hominem
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