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Google tests driverless car

Google has tested its driverless car in California today.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/05/13/google-self-driving-car-demo-mountain-view/9046385/



The 'we do no evil' corporation is predicting these will be hitting the streets 'within five years'.

This opens up a host of regulatory and social issues. I hope our government and the EU won't just roll over to have their tummy tickled 'because it's Google'.

* Is it right that vehicles should be driverless? What will happen if there are accidents? Can it ever be foolproof in today's frantic urban environments?

* What about the pleasure of driving?

* Why should we hand dominance in yet another major field to a silicon valley corporation?

* Is Google trustworthy, or will this be another opportunity for them to hoover up personal data for unknown purposes, including, presumably, sharing it with the NSA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_driverless_car

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Haven't they been doing this for...years now? Coming along well, safer than human drivers. The only issue is getting the cars to be able to handle human drivers on the road, as they don't follow the rules.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
Google has tested its driverless car in California today.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/05/13/google-self-driving-car-demo-mountain-view/9046385/

Yeah they've been doing these tests for zonks now.

The 'we do no evil' corporation is predicting these will be hitting the streets 'within five years'.

This opens up a host of regulatory and social issues. I hope our government and the EU won't just roll over to have their tummy tickled 'because it's Google'.

* Is it right that vehicles should be driverless? What will happen if there are accidents? Can it ever be foolproof in today's frantic urban environments?


It's unlikely to ever be foolproof, but neither are humans. I wouldn't be surprised if it is capable of achieving a better safety record than humans.

* What about the pleasure of driving?


No one is forcing people to buy driverless cars.

* Why should we hand dominance in yet another major field to a silicon valley corporation?


Because they've spent billions in R&D with some of the world's brightest people in bringing a revolutionary product to the market? One that has particular benefits for the disabled and elderly, who are in greatest need of mobility assistance?

* Is Google trustworthy, or will this be another opportunity for them to hoover up personal data for unknown purposes, including, presumably, sharing it with the NSA?


A valid point. One hopes that there are strict regulations around data privacy for this, but given the track record of Silicon Valley firms and of world governments, this may be a forlorn hope.
You are several years too late. These things have racked up the mileage to the point that they have already been demonstrated to be drastically safer than human drivers.



Also, Google didn't share data with the NSA. The NSA Tapped it.
Original post by BlueSam3
You are several years too late. These things have racked up the mileage to the point that they have already been demonstrated to be drastically safer than human drivers.

Also, Google didn't share data with the NSA. The NSA Tapped it.


They claim that, as do the other Silicon Giants. Yet the NSA documents leaked by Snowden repeatedly show them eagerly and actively co-operating.

It isn't surprising as Google are also working on numerous US government projects, including robotic warfare.
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An inevitable fact in the progression of technology. Most likely as we grow older then we will start to see more and more things becoming automated, to the point where we won't have to do any work.
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Original post by Fullofsurprises
They claim that, as do the other Silicon Giants. Yet the NSA documents leaked by Snowden repeatedly show them eagerly and actively co-operating.

It isn't surprising as Google are also working on numerous US government projects, including robotic warfare.


Who cares if they look at your info. Not like I'm doing anything illegal.

Let them make driverless cars - it'll lead to safer roads and more efficient driving. Stop being paranoid.
Original post by geoking
Who cares if they look at your info. Not like I'm doing anything illegal.
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Lol if they're looking at website information for the populous..

Worker A: Oh my god....

Worked B: What is it, what have you found?

Worker A: You won't believe this but...they're looking at porn...on the internet!

Worker B: Lol......sigh.
Original post by geoking
Who cares if they look at your info. Not like I'm doing anything illegal.

Let them make driverless cars - it'll lead to safer roads and more efficient driving. Stop being paranoid.


It will lead to Google-controlled roads using Google-controlled maps and Google-controlled thoughts guiding us to Google-controlled destinations.

The 'nothing to worry about if you've done nothing' comment is the hallmark of dictatorships the world over. For sure, you've nothing to worry about. Until the Google robot police come to arrest you on Google charges, try you instantly in the Google online court and carry out your immediate sentence, execution in the Google Driverless Death Van. (See: China for inspiration for the latter. :lol:)
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Original post by geoking
Who cares if they look at your info. Not like I'm doing anything illegal.
You may not be but that is besides the point. You have not consented to give your private information away to a governmental agency which is likely selling on such information to third parties for money, so you are being exploited without realising it. If everyone was complacent like you then we would be surrendering our freedoms and individual liberties which past generations have fought for. These are too precious to give away.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
It will lead to Google-controlled roads using Google-controlled maps and Google-controlled thoughts guiding us to Google-controlled destinations.

The 'nothing to worry about if you've done nothing' comment is the hallmark of dictatorships the world over. For sure, you've nothing to worry about. Until the Google robot police come to arrest you on Google charges, try you instantly in the Google online court and carry out your immediate sentence, execution in the Google Driverless Death Van. (See: China for inspiration for the latter. :lol:)


Yeah thats not going to happen. Society as we know it exists to keep people law abiding, happy citizens because they are the most productive and therefore pay taxes. When your understanding of society and business gets past that of a paranoid marxist, we can continue this conversation.
Original post by Jacob-C
You may not be but that is besides the point. You have not consented to give your private information away to a governmental agency which is likely selling on such information to third parties for money, so you are being exploited without realising it. If everyone was complacent like you then we would be surrendering our freedoms and individual liberties which past generations have fought for. These are too precious to give away.

Any proof they are selling on the data? That sounds like a complete misunderstanding of government and corporations.

Fact is, you've already given away your data hundreds of times without knowing it. Club cards, online shopping, twitter, Facebook etc. If everyone was paranoid like you, we'd be eating our children and living in caves in fear of technology.
Original post by geoking
Yeah thats not going to happen. Society as we know it exists to keep people law abiding, happy citizens because they are the most productive and therefore pay taxes. When your understanding of society and business gets past that of a paranoid marxist, we can continue this conversation.


I think what you mean is, you hope that a liberal society (allegedly) like Britain and the US can defend against such an outcome. Given the conduct of the security services in both countries and the secrecy surrounding Google's armaments contracts and their relationship with the 'cuddly' search engine company, I suspect your hopes may be somewhat trusting. The truth is that there isn't much now to stop a full takeover of the combined corporate and security states, with companies like Google leading the way. The population are largely acquiescent and the Chinafication of the West is proceeding.
Original post by geoking
Any proof they are selling on the data? That sounds like a complete misunderstanding of government and corporations.

Fact is, you've already given away your data hundreds of times without knowing it. Club cards, online shopping, twitter, Facebook etc. If everyone was paranoid like you, we'd be eating our children and living in caves in fear of technology.


Google farm our data to other corporations all the time, they don't call it 'selling', they define it as 'focused marketing tools' made available to those companies.

They didn't have to sell it to the NSA, they invited government security staff in to Google to work directly on the relationship and ensure that all of our personal information is fully available to them.

It is actually quite chilling how much Google now know about at least 1/3 and maybe 1/2 of the people on planet Earth. It's difficult to accept that they don't have secrets about how they use and misuse that.
I think that it won't be very long (<10 years) until people who drive for a living, for example lorry drivers, are replaced by these automated machines, for the simple reason that no wage has to be paid, and there are no restrictions on working times, so distributing goods will become much cheaper and much quicker.
This brings up a large problem - what happens to all of the lorry drivers who will be made redundant by this new technology? I think we need some sort of plans in order to accommodate for this, but I'm not quite sure what would happen yet. Possibly, as more and more jobs become automated, we will need a basic citizens income, but this may mean higher taxes.

I think that this is a bigger problem than any worries of Google 'spying' on drivers - I think that industrial automated driving will become commonplace much faster than personal automated driving, and some sort of planning is needed.

I fully support further automation.
Tests are just tests and they'll stay that way. Even if they were sold, no one would buy them, too expensive. Everyone would just buy older cars or manual ones from other companies.


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Original post by Fullofsurprises
It will lead to Google-controlled roads using Google-controlled maps and Google-controlled thoughts guiding us to Google-controlled destinations.


There are numerous modes of transport where you have no control over where you go: buses, trains, boat, airplanes etc. Do you worry about how the companies that own the buses or trains could easily change route and take you someplace else every time you use one?
Original post by justanotherposter
There are numerous modes of transport where you have no control over where you go: buses, trains, boat, airplanes etc. Do you worry about how the companies that own the buses or trains could easily change route and take you someplace else every time you use one?


I was speaking metaphorically. I was implying that Google will mine data from each of those transactions. They will map human movements, economic flows, etc. Of course, they already do a lot of it from all those Androids, but this will intensify their control of data.
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Original post by joey11223
Haven't they been doing this for...years now? Coming along well, safer than human drivers. The only issue is getting the cars to be able to handle human drivers on the road, as they don't follow the rules.


They're pretty much built with the expectation that nobody is playing by the rules.
Original post by Necrosyrtes
I think that it won't be very long (<10 years) until people who drive for a living, for example lorry drivers, are replaced by these automated machines, for the simple reason that no wage has to be paid, and there are no restrictions on working times, so distributing goods will become much cheaper and much quicker.
This brings up a large problem - what happens to all of the lorry drivers who will be made redundant by this new technology? I think we need some sort of plans in order to accommodate for this, but I'm not quite sure what would happen yet. Possibly, as more and more jobs become automated, we will need a basic citizens income, but this may mean higher taxes.

I think that this is a bigger problem than any worries of Google 'spying' on drivers - I think that industrial automated driving will become commonplace much faster than personal automated driving, and some sort of planning is needed.

I fully support further automation.


Public transport, taxi fleets and emergency services are other obvious targets.

I think you're right that such a change would be yet another major technological revolution causing mass displacement of jobs.

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