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Should teachers with racist views be sacked?

viviki

If a convicted paedophile appeals successfully then they werent a paedophile they were wrongly accused.

I take it you don't study law no? So there is no ground of appeal if the conviction in unsafe? This does not necessarily mean that they don't think you did it though. What if the trial judge said something stupid like it's up to the defence to prove his innocence. That happened once, the defendent appeal successfully, although he may have committed the crime in question.

Look at R v G and R [2003], the boys did commit criminal damage, but got off because the trial judge used the wrong test, although it was correct at the time it was executed (technicality). Look http://www.lawreports.co.uk/hlpcoctd0.1.htm

There are more grounds for appeal other than you didn't do it.

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Unregistered

viviki

It is illegal to be a paedophile, if you havent been caught you are still breaking the law you just havent been punished yet, but its not illegal to be a member of the BNP. Being a member of the BNP and standing for election is completely legal in the UK.

Eh?

Of course it's not illegal to be a paedophile. A paedophile is someone who feels a sexual attraction towards children. This is not illegal.

It IS, of course, illegal to molest or abuse children, or have child pornography, whether you are a paedophile or not.

But there is no law saying "You must not feel attracted to children"! How could there be?!

Rosie

Reply 42

Howard

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corey

Are we seriously to believe that if he had a person of a race other than white in his classroom that he truely regarded and treated them as equals in the classroom? I don't think we can seperate a racist view from the classroom - it would always be previlent in his teaching etc.

Well, then let's sack teachers who are socialist worker members as they will obviously discriminate against middle class kids.

Reply 43

benm

Howard

Well, he WASN'T sacked for discriminating in the classroom. He was therefore IMO wrongly sacked. I hope he sues. I would.

Actually, he has been suspended, not sacked as the first thread states. There are other reasons for him to be suspended other than his political views, such as the media attention causing disruption to the pupils studies - this makes a legal case difficult, and even more so for the BNPs small under-funded legal team.

If this teacher is sacked then the employers will definately be sued by either the man or the BNP.

Reply 44

pedy1986

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viviki

How can you know and prove that definitely is the case. he should have at least been given the opportunity to prove the validity of his teaching in a supervised environment.

Ok I concede it may not have been the case, however he could never have 'proved' the validity...as he could just put on an 'act' while he was being assessed etc. Therefore, I think we should take the more likely option (in my view) that he indeed may have partly discrimnated due to race in the classroom and sacked him.

Reply 45

material breach

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corey

Are we seriously to believe that if he had a person of a race other than white in his classroom that he truely regarded and treated them as equals in the classroom? I don't think we can seperate a racist view from the classroom - it would always be previlent in his teaching etc.

One of the factors dictating to what extend his views would be previlent is the subject that he was teaching, say for example teaching maths, the views of the teacher have little effect on the material being taught to the class. On the other hand if it was history and Hitler and the Holocaust one might be more inclined to agree with you Corey.

Another factor is that the characther of the person, some people are very good at leaving their personnel views out of the lesson and only teaching what the text book and other academics think, others are extremely bad at this.

Reply 46

benm

viviki

And of course if they say they arent racist they are obviously telling the truth :rolleyes:

I was reinforcing the requirement for the original poster to provide evidence, as the BNP officially states a contrary view to her lies.

viviki

Well this in my opinion this is pretty much on the racist border line.
"In Holland, Islam has achieved that critical mass of 10%--and a 10% minority full of passionate intensity & burning with fervor to spread the word can always achieve mastery over the apathetic 90% who have lost faith in their institutions and traditions; aided and abetted by Islam's useful idiots, the European intelligentsia (what a hateful Russian word) who in their relentless culture war against the West are doing invaluable service to ensure Islam's victory even at a risk of seeing their sons & daughters exhibited in the slave-marts of Araby. (Treason of the intellectuals?)"
"If this writer and the BNP agree on no other subject, we both are puzzled by the point-blank refusal of Western Intellectuals to state the obvious fact that the West is immeasurably superior to Islam."
http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/islam_menace.htm

I disaggree, the article does not demonstrate any hatred towards a racial group, or even implies hatred.
Interestingly the article is written by a 'Jewish correspondent'.

Reply 47

randdom

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Is there really any difference between the NF and the BNP? someone asked earlier if a NF member should be allowed to teach and having read their manifesto it seems preety much the same as the BNP so if people feel that a guy who supports the BNP should be allowed to teach does that apply to the NF aswell?

Reply 48

benm

randdom

Is there really any difference between the NF and the BNP? someone asked earlier if a NF member should be allowed to teach and having read their manifesto it seems preety much the same as the BNP so if people feel that a guy who supports the BNP should be allowed to teach does that apply to the NF aswell?

No. The National Front have a policy of forced repatriation of non-white people whereas the British National Party do not.

In my opinion teachers belonging to any political party should be allowed to teach, whether its SA, NF, BNP, Labour, Greens etc - as long as they do not bring their views into the classroom.

Reply 49

ruffian

An asylum seeker can sue our government if they feel they have not been treated fairly and this from a person who has not even been in the country a year .whereas a person who serves the community by educating is sacked and refused legal aid for their political stance. now i know this is side tracking abit but to me it doesnt seem right that someone who has payed taxes and contributed to this country can be given more rights than someone who isnt even a UK citizen.....if he wasnt a radical BNP member before hes certainly going to be enfuriated now!

Reply 50

sashh

ruffian

An asylum seeker can sue our government if they feel they have not been treated fairly and this from a person who has not even been in the country a year .whereas a person who serves the community by educating is sacked and refused legal aid for their political stance. now i know this is side tracking abit but to me it doesnt seem right that someone who has payed taxes and contributed to this country can be given more rights than someone who isnt even a UK citizen.....if he wasnt a radical BNP member before hes certainly going to be enfuriated now!

Silly me thinking laws applied to everyone in this country regardles of nationality, amount of taxes paid, number of years living in this country ........ Now I'm aproaching 40 and have paid taxes for most of my adult life, so does that mean I should have more rights than the majority of people on here who are under 25 and have never worked in a full time job?

Reply 51

FoxNewsRocks

Check this out, this jewish professor still has his job too. Imagine had someone non-jewish said the same thing about jews or blacks.

http://www.vdare.com/roberts/harvard_genocide.htm

According to Dr. Ignatiev,

“The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race. Make no mistake about it,” he says, “we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed--not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.”

Is this acceptable to the liberals of this board? If so, then you are a hipocrite of the highest caliber.

Reply 52

Sire

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Trousers

I realise there are plenty of threads about the BNP, but do you think that a teacher who stands as a BNP election candidate should continue to teach?

The man I'm referring to was sacked only when he revealed his political intentions, and apparently the sacking was due to the racist views he expressed on his website. If he had not previously displayed his views in front of students, is it right that he should lose his job at this stage?

Of course the teacher shouldn't be sacked. Unless of course they begin to impress their own personal views upon students. A website is an advocation of free speech.

Reply 53

punk_rox42

there are plenty of people in this country that are racist and have their own opinion but they do not get sacked for this view what makes a teacher any different.. teachers of all people are entitled to their own opinion... you yourself have given an opinion on a person irrelevant of whether they are racist or not you have made up your mind...

Reply 54

asher

What about liberal teachers who openly support immigrants that are militant muslims and preach against the west, and say negative things about whites?

Reply 55

confusd_puzzled

Trousers

... and apparently the sacking was due to the racist views he expressed on his website. If he had not previously displayed his views in front of students, is it right that he should lose his job at this stage?

I think he should lose his job. If he has expressed racist views elsewhere then obviously he will have racial views in his mind and therefore it will effect the way he teaches especially the non-whit races.

Reply 56

shing_a_ding

i certainly dont think that teachers should be expressing view of any any sort of racism as publicly as a website. disregarding the fact whether or not these views were expressed to the students he teaches. a teacher who is racist s inevitably passing on their vews and beliefs to their students.

Should teachers with racist views be sacked?

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