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Are the Tories really dead in Scotland, are the SNP socalist?

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Original post by Zander01
Do you have any evidence of this or is it purely conjecture?
Based on personal experience and observation. Surely no-one failed to see the increasingly bitter relations between the two sides in the run up to the referendum. Even now it continues with the daft "i`m one of the 45%" badges on facebook for example.
Original post by arson_fire
Until the early 1980s the tories were quite a major party in Scotland, and they do still have quite a bit of support even among the working classes. The SNP used to be known as "the tartan tories" due to their right-leaning stance. Now they promote whatever will get them votes - currently it's being left-ish. I can't see them as a socialist party, more of a populist party.




I'd say they've done the exact opposite. Theres definetly a split appearing between the "45-ers" and the rest of the country.


Maybe in the immediate aftermath of the referendum but now no one really talks about it. Both wanted what was best for scotland and some fell for the lies of westminister but there's no animosity towards people who voted differently.
It the moon really made of cheese?

Is the earth really flat?

Hmm
Original post by arson_fire
Based on personal experience and observation. Surely no-one failed to see the increasingly bitter relations between the two sides in the run up to the referendum. Even now it continues with the daft "i`m one of the 45%" badges on facebook for example.


It's on Facebook so that represents everyone. I agree the 45 stuff is pish and the stuff they sell is cringe but if you go by that your going to have a narrow view of the people who voted yes and 45% of the country.
Original post by Ecksalmond
Maybe in the immediate aftermath of the referendum but now no one really talks about it. Both wanted what was best for scotland and some fell for the lies of westminister but there's no animosity towards people who voted differently.


And the YeSNP campaign wanted what was best for Scotland by blatantly making things up?
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Polls don't suggest that support for the Tories has dwindled all that much to be honest. It's Labour who have dropped of the cliff, and they stand to lose the most.

Someone commented that Scotland has become split between Yes and No voters. I think its nonsense. SNP support in this election is very high, and many voters who do not support independence, such as myself, are willing to vote SNP.

The outcome can only be good for Scotland, and it might also prompt the major parties in England to force a change in the polling system. Its not really fair that the Lib Dems could conceivably end up with 1 seat and the Tories none when around 5% of the population supports the Lib Dems and 17% supports the Tories (in Scotland).
Original post by MatureStudent36
And the YeSNP campaign wanted what was best for Scotland by blatantly making things up?


The Yes campaign was not about the SNP. It wasn't about any party. Do you think if Scotland didn't contribute more to the UK than Westminster admits they would have put up a fight about us leaving?
Original post by Ecksalmond
The Yes campaign was not about the SNP. It wasn't about any party. Do you think if Scotland didn't contribute more to the UK than Westminster admits they would have put up a fight about us leaving?


The yes campiqgn was the SNP with a few fringe political party groupings on the fringes.

Ill put money on the fact that you are a financial black hole incapable of paying your own way. I'm not recommending stripping you of your passport.

The SNP spread many myths and lies.you seem to be continuing to spread the falsehoods.
Original post by MatureStudent36
The yes campiqgn was the SNP with a few fringe political party groupings on the fringes.

Ill put money on the fact that you are a financial black hole incapable of paying your own way. I'm not recommending stripping you of your passport.

The SNP spread many myths and lies.you seem to be continuing to spread the falsehoods.


So maturestudent how am I a financial blackhole?
Original post by Ecksalmond
So maturestudent how am I a financial blackhole?


upire not holding down
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Full time job are you?
The Sun backs the SNP and the Torys - I guess that sums up my position - the VOTERS (if not the policies) are the same type of people.. So SNP voters are Torys (eg "its MY oil" or "I want more" or "I don't want to give my money to people in other parts of the Island" (A common theme in London and Edinburgh and Aberdeen).

The SNP have destroyed the Scottish education system (lowest numbers of Scottish born a graduates, with falling numbers of Scots passing Highers and getting into Edinburgh, Glasgow, and the other "blue chip" scottish universities.

Glasgow has the highest death rate in the UK and the highest number of sick days in the UK. The SNP have been in power for 10 years while this ha been going on - and its getting worse... Worse education, worse health and generally a lot of anger and worry - that will be the SNP....

Vote Liberal to get rid of Salmond and vote for whoever you can to get rid of the rest....
Original post by MatureStudent36
upire not holding down
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Full time job are you?


How do you know my employment status?
Original post by Ecksalmond
How do you know my employment status?


I guessed right then.

Did you fall for the oil fund lie? Hoping not to have to work? Worried about how austerity cuts will impact on you?
The Tories aren't dead in Scotland - indeed they'll likely gain between 15-20% of the vote on Thursday - but they are a fairly toxic brand to much of those who don't vote for them. Their support is spread very thinly so they do not tend to pick up many seats relative to other parties.

What's rising in Scotland, fairly rapidly, is nationalism, and the three main unionist parties are powerless to prevent it. However it is actually the Tories who have received the least damage from the nationalistic surge. Confrontations between Labour or Lib Dems and the SNP usually result in an SNP victory because nationalism, but not so much Tory-SNP confrontations.
Original post by Smack
The Tories aren't dead in Scotland - indeed they'll likely gain between 15-20% of the vote on Thursday - but they are a fairly toxic brand to much of those who don't vote for them. Their support is spread very thinly so they do not tend to pick up many seats relative to other parties.

What's rising in Scotland, fairly rapidly, is nationalism, and the three main unionist parties are powerless to prevent it. However it is actually the Tories who have received the least damage from the nationalistic surge. Confrontations between Labour or Lib Dems and the SNP usually result in an SNP victory because nationalism, but not so much Tory-SNP confrontations.


Come we all know the reason for the rise of the SNP in Scotland this election:
a) Milliband is really not cutting the mustard with the old time labour voter in glasgow, he really is not PM material (in their eyes).
b) The SNP woman - Nicola speaks and looks like a typical Scottish woman you would see in any town in Scotland - she is getting the "one of us votes" - Milliband is not "one of us" or "PM material"....
Original post by FredOrJohn
Come we all know the reason for the rise of the SNP in Scotland this election:
a) Milliband is really not cutting the mustard with the old time labour voter in glasgow, he really is not PM material (in their eyes).
b) The SNP woman - Nicola speaks and looks like a typical Scottish woman you would see in any town in Scotland - she is getting the "one of us votes" - Milliband is not "one of us" or "PM material"....


Certainly not the vibes I'm getting here in Scotland. A weak Labour leader is actually a godsend for the nationalists.

Less than a year ago, around 45% of the 85% of Scots that turned up voted to leave the union. That's going to have a huge impact on the results of the election. The SNP are winning over Labour voters because the SNP offer nationalism and the prospect of independence, not because of Nicola Sturgeon. And after the referendum where Labour supported the union along with the Tories, they're going to be tarred for a while now.
Original post by Smack
Certainly not the vibes I'm getting here in Scotland. A weak Labour leader is actually a godsend for the nationalists.

Less than a year ago, around 45% of the 85% of Scots that turned up voted to leave the union. That's going to have a huge impact on the results of the election. The SNP are winning over Labour voters because the SNP offer nationalism and the prospect of independence, not because of Nicola Sturgeon. And after the referendum where Labour supported the union along with the Tories, they're going to be tarred for a while now.


We'll my family is Labour Scottish (Paisley and Edinburgh) and there are not impressed by Milliband and like Nicola. It is small things that change the world. Here in Surrey, I've just seen the Lib-Dem candidate stand on a soap box in the high street and give a speech from her heart. I'll be voting for her. Brave lady.
Original post by FredOrJohn
We'll my family is Labour Scottish (Paisley and Edinburgh) and there are not impressed by Milliband and like Nicola. It is small things that change the world. Here in Surrey, I've just seen the Lib-Dem candidate stand on a soap box in the high street and give a speech from her heart. I'll be voting for her. Brave lady.


Ed Miliband might not appeal to the typical Glasgow Labour voter but Jim Murphy should yet the polls show he's having a negligible effect. It's little to do with personalities and more to do with Labour being tied to the Union, something that's now an anathema to a lot of Scots.
Original post by Smack
Ed Miliband might not appeal to the typical Glasgow Labour voter but Jim Murphy should yet the polls show he's having a negligible effect. It's little to do with personalities and more to do with Labour being tied to the Union, something that's now an anathema to a lot of Scots.


anathema - LOL - I would not take it as far as that. Perhaps children but anyone with a bit of economic input in society (eg house holders or house builders) are quite sanguine...

You would not want £200,000 (pretty average house) to be in a currency that might go down 50% over night... That could happen to both the UK pound and the Scottish pound if a split happened. We'll both potentially be 50% poorer... Perhaps worse... It would be chaos. Why bother when we all speak english and work EU wide.

Clearly its not anathema - we're all EU people, its more of a teen-anathema then an adult one.
Original post by zippity.doodah
of course they're socialist
Since when does ever so centre left = socialist? They are not a socialist party. If they were they would all the way over in the left direction, obviously. It may have socialists in it but in terms of what they want to do, they are mild social democrat at best which is not inherently socialist.

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