Are the Tories really dead in Scotland, are the SNP socalist?

Original post by Zander01

It's funny how you have all these ready made examples of Scottish people and politicians badmouthing Westminster parties and the establishment. Yet, I don't hear a peep out of you complaining about the constant anti-SNP jibes from the media and westminster politicians. I find it funny how you aren't whinging about the fact people in england think it's undemocratic that Scotland's sole representative party should have a say in British politics.

Then again, im not really surprised. You've been banging on for ages about how nasty the Scottish are and how you live a miserable life here. I could find more 'racism' in your posts on this site than anybody else probably.

On 'floods of English', Sturgeon felt the need to specify English over RUK, a common slip of the tongue the Yessers were often guilty of. Ignoring that Wales and Northern Ireland are in the equation. More to the point what she said was hopelessly wrong. At the moment there is no quota at Scottish unis for RUK students because they are charged more, whereas the Scots/EU admissions are limited by a Scottish Government quota because it can only afford to provide so many free places. This means that letting RUK in for free would allow *more* Scots to go as RUK would also face the quota. Holyrood puts a cap on the number of Scottish students who can be admitted, oh dear Nicola.

There is such a thing as the Scottish Conservative Party and in the 50s it was the biggest party in Scotland. To specify English when again there are other parts of the UK containing Tory voters seeks to stir anti English sentiment. Same goes for the life expectancy comment, it is easier to show animosity towards a far away part of England than a part of Glasgow. It's the classic 'they're all out to get us' mentality.

UK politicians and UK newspapers have a dim view of the SNP because they want surprisingly enough they don't want the SNP's flagship policy to come to fruition. They also give the same treatment to UKIP so you mustn't feel left out. People in England don't want an anti UK party to be in the Cabinet, again not unreasonable-I would say it is undemocratic of the SNP to want to keep out the Tories even if they win the most seats. But they are more perplexed at the people who get the best deal whingeing about how it's all a stitch up.

As for your last points, I have a generally good life up here-but it would be nice to have champagne socialists like Alex Salmond leave my country alone.

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Original post by EatAndRevise

That's not true.

Back in the 70s the bulk of SNP support came from people who were naturally tories but were using the SNP as a protest vote, hence the nickname.....

To answer the questions in the OP, no the Conservatives are not dead in Scotland. Last time I think they got around 17% of the vote. The number of people who actually support them is probably higher than this though, as I suspect a lot of natural tories are put off voting for them due to feeling that it's a wasted vote as they have no chance in a lot of constituencies.

The SNP are not socialist. The might claim to be left leaning just now but thats only because they attach themselves to whatever idealogy they perceive as being popular as being Scotland. Just now that is socialism but in the past it was more to the right, hence "tartan tories". They have shown there right wing side more recently as well being very keen to work with the Scottish Conservatives in the 2007-2011 period in order to prop up their minority governments. Then in the referendum policies like cutting corporation tax seem fairly right wing to me.

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Original post by The_Mighty_Bush

That's not true.

Which bit?

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Original post by Midlander

There are some in your ranks who hate England without question. However I find it odd that Westminster gets so much grief when it has shown overwhelming bias to Scotland for decades with the Barnett formula which makes possible the perks you allude to. Maybe the Yes camp should look closer to home if they want someone to blame.

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Well yeah i'm not trying to say that there aren't a few idiots up here but you'll find that in any country. Nobody is trying to blame anyone else. The point sort of is that the majority of the country can want something but if england wants something else that is what we'll end up with. Like a conservative government for example, Scots didn't vote DC in and yet here we are.

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Original post by laura555

Well yeah i'm not trying to say that there aren't a few idiots up here but you'll find that in any country. Nobody is trying to blame anyone else. The point sort of is that the majority of the country can want something but if england wants something else that is what we'll end up with. Like a conservative government for example, Scots didn't vote DC in and yet here we are.

Again you go ignoring the other member states, but you also choose to ignore the parts of England that consistently vote against the Conservatives. Sometimes you don't get what you want in an election and the thing to do is not to throw your toys out of the pram but to accept that this happens sometimes. There are parts of Scotland which never vote SNP but get them as another example.

There was no way that Labour deserved a fourth term in 2010, and Miliband doesn't deserve to be PM this time either. Blame Labour for their ineptitude, not the people who voted them out.

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Original post by Midlander

Again you go ignoring the other member states, but you also choose to ignore the parts of England that consistently vote against the Conservatives. Sometimes you don't get what you want in an election and the thing to do is not to throw your toys out of the pram but to accept that this happens sometimes. There are parts of Scotland which never vote SNP but get them as another example.

There was no way that Labour deserved a fourth term in 2010, and Miliband doesn't deserve to be PM this time either. Blame Labour for their ineptitude, not the people who voted them out.

I'm not ignoring NI or Wales. I'm not talking about them right now, they weren't relevant to my point. If Wales decided to vote lib dem that wouldn't affect the result in the way the English vote does. Literally one constituency in the whole of Scotland wanted a tory government? Idc about labour we aren't talking about them. That was just an example, I was just trying to give you one of the main reasons as to why we wanted independence.

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Original post by laura555

I'm not ignoring NI or Wales. I'm not talking about them right now, they weren't relevant to my point. If Wales decided to vote lib dem that wouldn't affect the result in the way the English vote does. Literally one constituency in the whole of Scotland wanted a tory government? Idc about labour we aren't talking about them. That was just an example, I was just trying to give you one of the main reasons as to why we wanted independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotland#2010

The Tories aren't dead in Scotland. They get 16.7% of the vote last election. Only 50 thousand votes less than the Lib Dems who got ten more seats.

We didn't vote for independence.

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Original post by laura555

I'm not ignoring NI or Wales. I'm not talking about them right now, they weren't relevant to my point. If Wales decided to vote lib dem that wouldn't affect the result in the way the English vote does. Literally one constituency in the whole of Scotland wanted a tory government? Idc about labour we aren't talking about them. That was just an example, I was just trying to give you one of the main reasons as to why we wanted independence.

I say they are relevant because England itself does not have a uniform political identity and for 3 terms in a row it voted Labour, they did a bad job then the Tories got in. People don't blindly vote for the same party every time. Nobody was calling for independence during the Labour boom years were they?

400,000 people in Scotland voted Tory but only got 1 MP so their seat share in nowhere reflects the level of centre right support in Scotland. I voted No last year and I would do it every single time.

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Original post by The_Mighty_Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotland#2010

The Tories aren't dead in Scotland. They get 16.7% of the vote last election. Only 50 thousand votes less than the Lib Dems who got ten more seats.

We didn't vote for independence.

I'm not saying that people didn't vote tory, just that more people didn't vote tory.

Yeah by like 10% wow what a staggering victory you sure did show us nationalists a thing or two

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