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Original post by Guills on wheels
To be fair, your example for labour wouldn't be voting for them, it'd be campaigning for them. Not everyone has the resources to organise vigils, and there's a whole load of other factors involved too. The trick is is to stay true to your beliefs. I'm absolutely all in favour of workers rights, cleaners' rights and the living wage, but I'd never been on a protest until I accidentally stumbled on one last week. As long as you know what you're talking about I don't see the problem.



Juuuuuuusst to put this out there. Men aren't discriminated against. They don't have problems.


Embrace the term feminazi. It's hilarious :':wink:

You aren't serious?
Original post by EllieC130
You aren't serious?


As a man, yes, I am serious. Men aren't discriminated against.
Original post by Guills on wheels
As a man, yes, I am serious. Men aren't discriminated against.
Clearly you've never been in a custody battle.
Original post by EllieC130
Clearly you've never been in a custody battle.


That's one example, and I knew it was going to come up.

To be honest, it's generally because the women has a better understanding of the child's needs, and due to social systems, especially in the UK, women have historically been placed in charge of the child, and thus they can better provide for them. A father who is more likely to work a higher paid job with more rigid hours, is less likely to have custody of a child or children simply because he won't have the time for them. If women and men were allowed to have a more equal position in how the support the family financially and were able to be free in what career they wanted, then perhaps custody statistics would be more equal.

What about objectification and sexualisation of women? Does that happen to men? What about the number of women on minimum wage being far greater than the number of men? Male entitlement? Rape statistics? Victim blaming? The shaming of women of colour and of a certain race for dressing in a certain way, and the patronisation of women of colour? Heteronormativity?
Original post by Guills on wheels
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EllieC130 is right.

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Original post by XcitingStuart
EllieC130 is right.

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Men are discriminated against? *sigh*.
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Original post by EllieC130
Clearly you've never been in a custody battle.


Our friend here seems a very interesting character; from his profile....

"Occupation:
Sex slave

About me

I'd write something witty here, but my girlfriend would take the piss out of me for it.

Academic Info

my parents paid too much for my school, and to be honest I should have done better.

Interests

pretending I'm more interesting/accomplished than I am, taking drugs/drinking to impress girls (I don't take drugs)"



Is it safe to assume you are relatively young and therefore have not been in a position where discrimination against males occurs?

Men are discriminated against, but not to the same extent women are.
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Original post by Guills on wheels
Men are discriminated against? *sigh*.


In the eyes of the law, yes.
For example, as aforementioned, in custody battles.

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wearing sanitary towels oppresses them



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This is a joke isn't it???????
Original post by XcitingStuart
In the eyes of the law, yes.
For example, as aforementioned, in custody battles.

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any other examples? I explained that already.
Original post by Guills on wheels
yes...

but feminism does stand for both of those things. What lucyx described above relates to those people, and I agree that, whilst banning page three and the free the nipple campaign are helpful, the media space they are given is not proportionate to actually how important you are. I totally agree there are far more important issues but feminism does stand for them too. You just have to separate yourself from cultural/liberal feminists only interested in western-centric issues.


Personally, don't find those two issues as issues. Ban page three and free the nipple are (personally- I am not saying anyone else's views are wrong) not necessary for development.
Page 3- If you don't like it don't read it. The media is so sexualised that removing the page from a newspaper has no effect. You can turn on the TV, internet or any other publication just to witness the same thing. Plus, I see Page 3 girls who are proud of their bodies and are showing it off. They should be proud, I could never look like that ha ha!
Free the nipple- It is the complete opposite of ban page three. I would argue that we as humans have made the breast into a sexual organ and symbol. On a man, they are not seen for the same purposes. We would not let a man show off his sexual "symbol" or the woman's other one on that matter, in public. Therefore breast should not be displayed either.
I see where you come from on that it should be kept separate but I also think that our "developed" countries also have bigger problems than the two up above. For example how women get paid less or the fact a man is less likely to get custody of his kids, simply because he is male.
I 100% agree with you that these issues are not publicised by the media enough as other issues. You are right and I think this is an issue which needs to be addressed.
Just want to clarify, this is not a dig at anyone's personal beliefs, we are all entitled to think differently, these are just my views :smile:
Original post by Guills on wheels
any other examples? I explained that already.


Paternity leave is not equivalent to maternity leave.
Societal attitudes re: domestic violence against men being more acceptable
Until recently, in car insurance. Now the law has changed to screw over women to an equal amount as men (rather than the other way round)... hurrah.
Some might say that circumcision of men is allowed whilst circumcision of women is frowned upon, but I think that debate is slightly more complicated in terms of risk:benefits.

Women are definitely discriminated against a lot more, but it's not a competition.
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Original post by LoobyLou12
Personally, don't find those two issues as issues. Ban page three and free the nipple are (personally- I am not saying anyone else's views are wrong) not necessary for development.
Page 3- If you don't like it don't read it. The media is so sexualised that removing the page from a newspaper has no effect. You can turn on the TV, internet or any other publication just to witness the same thing. Plus, I see Page 3 girls who are proud of their bodies and are showing it off. They should be proud, I could never look like that ha ha!
Free the nipple- It is the complete opposite of ban page three. I would argue that we as humans have made the breast into a sexual organ and symbol. On a man, they are not seen for the same purposes. We would not let a man show off his sexual "symbol" or the woman's other one on that matter, in public. Therefore breast should not be displayed either.
I see where you come from on that it should be kept separate but I also think that our "developed" countries also have bigger problems than the two up above. For example how women get paid less or the fact a man is less likely to get custody of his kids, simply because he is male.
I 100% agree with you that these issues are not publicised by the media enough as other issues. You are right and I think this is an issue which needs to be addressed.
Just want to clarify, this is not a dig at anyone's personal beliefs, we are all entitled to think differently, these are just my views :smile:


In the UK, where is the evidence of a gender wage gap, between a man and a women, that have the same job and similar experience?

To simply say "A women earns £0.7 for every £1 a man earns etc.." isn't enough for me.

EDIT: It's actually illegal for an employer to pay staff different wages on the basis of just gender. So I'd like to see some evidence of this claim :smile:
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I am female, and I consider myself to be a feminist, to an extent.
I believe men and women should be equal and shouldn't be discriminated against or denied of opportunities that the other sex is able to have.

I also believe that they are different. Being different shouldn't mean we're not equal.

But feminists these days are so stupid its pathetic!
The whole gender neutral issue is useless. We should aspire to be equal to men, not the the same as men. Modern feminists are obsessed with body images like the whole beach body advert- stop worrying about skinny models and turn your sharpies to far more serious issues in the world regarding the position of females PLEASE.
I don't really go shouting about being a feminist. Because of how they're associated these days and the stupid stuff the radical feminists do.
Original post by Guills on wheels
any other examples? I explained that already.


Child custody is a biggie, and I have witnessed that first hand and it is cruel. It stems mainly from religious views that have been embedded into society. But as you wanted more examples I wont go into any detail on that matter :smile:

Male rape victims- In the media these victims are mocked. They are blamed that they wanted it or asked for it due to an erection. Male victims are a lot less likely to come forward due to this. Meaning these victims go unnoticed. I read an article a couple of weeks ago about a man being gang raped by two women. People commented saying that he was lucky and they were jealous. People found this very funny but if it had been about women being raped there would be a lot more sympathy.

Emotions- The typical stereotype of a man is that they must be strong, independent and "manly". This in many peoples eyes means they cant show weakness or emotion. As humans we need to be able to do this as otherwise the stress can be over whelming. This is one of the reasons that the biggest killer of middle aged men is suicide. They feel they can not communicate their feelings.

Gay men- Although many homosexuals are judged and are victim to some form of homophobia at some point in their life, men get the brunt of it. Lesbians are considered by the majority (not everyone) as sexy and erotic. However a gay man is a joke. Many young boys who if they act in a certain way will be labelled gay.
Original post by JD1lla
In the UK, where is the evidence of a gender wage gap, between a man and a women, that have the same job and similar experience?

To simply say "A women earns £0.7 for every £1 a man earns etc.." isn't enough for me.

EDIT: It's actually illegal for an employer to pay staff different wages on the basis of just gender. So I'd like to see some evidence of this claim :smile:


I wouldn't say that the pay difference really effects women as much in UK. However I did say in more developed countries. USA is a biggie, where there is more of a problem. The UK has done well over recent years to reduce the amount of gender difference. :smile:
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Original post by Flozzie543
I am female, and I consider myself to be a feminist, to an extent.
I believe men and women should be equal and shouldn't be discriminated against or denied of opportunities that the other sex is able to have.

I also believe that they are different. Being different shouldn't mean we're not equal.

But feminists these days are so stupid its pathetic!
The whole gender neutral issue is useless. We should aspire to be equal to men, not the the same as men. Modern feminists are obsessed with body images like the whole beach body advert- stop worrying about skinny models and turn your sharpies to far more serious issues in the world regarding the position of females PLEASE.
I don't really go shouting about being a feminist. Because of how they're associated these days and the stupid stuff the radical feminists do.


That statement doesn't mean you're a feminist to me. In my opinion, that statement means you're just a decent human being with a mature perspective. I'm tired of labels. Especially the feminist label.
Original post by LoobyLou12
Child custody is a biggie, and I have witnessed that first hand and it is cruel. It stems mainly from religious views that have been embedded into society. But as you wanted more examples I wont go into any detail on that matter :smile:

Male rape victims- In the media these victims are mocked. They are blamed that they wanted it or asked for it due to an erection. Male victims are a lot less likely to come forward due to this. Meaning these victims go unnoticed. I read an article a couple of weeks ago about a man being gang raped by two women. People commented saying that he was lucky and they were jealous. People found this very funny but if it had been about women being raped there would be a lot more sympathy.

Emotions- The typical stereotype of a man is that they must be strong, independent and "manly". This in many peoples eyes means they cant show weakness or emotion. As humans we need to be able to do this as otherwise the stress can be over whelming. This is one of the reasons that the biggest killer of middle aged men is suicide. They feel they can not communicate their feelings.

Gay men- Although many homosexuals are judged and are victim to some form of homophobia at some point in their life, men get the brunt of it. Lesbians are considered by the majority (not everyone) as sexy and erotic. However a gay man is a joke. Many young boys who if they act in a certain way will be labelled gay.


Right, so it's a good thing that a sexuality that by definition has nothing to do with men has been appropriated by men?
Reply 78
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Right, so it's a good thing that a sexuality that by definition has nothing to do with men has been appropriated by men?


As a male, the whole 'lesbians are hot thing' is a direct result of the influence of pornography.

From real life lesbians I've met in person, they have not attracted me. They are what 'society' considers 'butch'. Short haircuts, wear very baggy clothing, eyebrow piercings etc. I've met about 10 lesbians in my life, so obviously this isn't representative of the lesbian population. But all of them dressed/acted very similarly....which is quite fascinating.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Right, so it's a good thing that a sexuality that by definition has nothing to do with men has been appropriated by men?


I never said it was a good thing. I was answering the question asked which was about the negatives to do with male inequality. I am not saying that Lesbians should be thought of this way. If focusing on female inequality then I could have named this as one. In my opinion lesbianism is just a type of sexuality, similar to heterosexuality. However what I was trying to say is that Men make lesbianism a good thing but treat gay men as a negative.

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