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Four in 10 students say university not good value

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Original post by iAmanze
You'd be mad to think I'm reading that article of a post.

Ever thought of a career with a newspaper?


Well then continue in your ignorance. I did, actually.

PS. If you can't handle that amount of text then you'll really struggle with any degree, so say goodbye to your fantasy 35K salary.
Original post by somethingbeautiful
Are you a grad? I'm curious because the reality is a lot different than 'in theory'. Graduating and getting a 21K job isn't the norm for a lot of people. I haven't earned more than 14K and I'm 3 years post graduation. I don't know a single person that I went to uni with (or from my school who went to uni) who is on that salary. They're working in retail/on the dole/temping etc.


What degree did you do? What university did you attend you?
I used to not want to go as the idea of being with completely different people scared me but now all I want to do is leave my hometown as it bores me. if you have solid friendships and have a future where you are then I'd recommend you stay at home
No, it is not good value for money, but will you actually pay it back? Nope, so it isn't that important. When they make you pay it upfront or they actually make it a loan (let's be real, it is more of a tax now), meaning you have to keep up with repayments regardless of how much you earn or whether you are employed etc, we can then start a riot.
I honestly think 9k a year is a bit of a joke, really.
Even £6k for a year MSc is still steep for what you get back for your money. A piece of paper, and a library membership to achieve it with.
Reply 65
It depends on what degree you're doing. Someone doing Law or Investment Banking definitely has a high value for money course, because they will most likely be earning on or over £100k after a few years. However if someone is doing a degree like Philosophy, Psychology etc. I do think this is a waste of money

Also, Uni prestige is almost completely irrelevent between degrees. Someone studying an unspecialised degree at a Russell group University most likely won't be earning anything near someone who studies a specialised degree (such as Law) at a non - Russell group University
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Original post by Bill_Gates
Four in 10 of the first students to pay higher fees do not believe their courses have been good value for money

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-33204691

Your views?!


To be fair. Hear me out... 4 in 10 people are f*cking idiots but that doesn't tell us anything. The people that think it's not value for money are the ones doing Land Economy at Kingston University... like you don't hear a Computer Scientist from Cambridge get a 1st, go work for Google then say "nah my degree was a rip off" do you? Basically 4/10 University students are too stupid for University and shouldn't of gone...
Original post by ComputerMaths97
To be fair. Hear me out... 4 in 10 people are f*cking idiots but that doesn't tell us anything. The people that think it's not value for money are the ones doing Land Economy at Kingston University... like you don't hear a Computer Scientist from Cambridge get a 1st, go work for Google then say "nah my degree was a rip off" do you? Basically 4/10 University students are too stupid for University and shouldn't of gone...


computer science has notoriously low levels of employment so poor example m8 plus these are students already within the degree programmes and have not graduated.
Original post by Bill_Gates
computer science has notoriously low levels of employment so poor example m8 plus these are students already within the degree programmes and have not graduated.


What are you on about "m8"... Computer Science only has "notoriously low levels of employment" BECAUSE TONS OF PEOPLE DO IT AT A SH*T UNIVERSITY. Thought CAPS LOCK might help you understand basic English, as you clearly didn't get it the first time :smile:

Computer Science at crappy Uni's is an easy course that makes you think you're going to work in the games industry. Which it doesn't.

Well then what on earth do they know? They haven't gotten their jobs yet, how would they know if they've got their money's worth... Jesus worst argument ever. 4/10 is a minority. Same as a minority of students fail their degrees. Not even a valid argument lol.
In terms of teaching definitely not. In terms of friends and social skills maybe
The thing is loads of people say university is not worth it but they end up going anyway, they complain all through uni about it not being worth it.

Very few actually do something different with their lives.

For me uni was definitely worth it, I didn't pay £9k fees, but I would still have thought it was worth it at 9k or more even if I was paying off the fees for the rest of my life.

I learned a load of skills at uni, enjoyed my course, made my best friends there, got generally experienced in life and living in different environments, it led to me getting a good job after, I still keep in touch with my tutors and sometimes go back to careers events or to go to seminars hosted at the uni. Was the best decision I made.

Uni FTW
Reply 71
Original post by somethingbeautiful
Yup.

I agree with the 40%. I had 9 contact hours a week during my degree. My fees were about 3K a year - before 2012 tuition fee hike. I felt robbed paying 3K a year to basically teach myself most of the time and then go to lectures which weren't particularly useful. I think the most useful thing was the seminars and I only had two per week (2 hours!). God knows how current students paying 9K a year with few contact hours feel - I'm not sure I'd bother unless it pretty much guaranteed a job (which most of them don't - mine included).

With hindsight and the advantage of being older and wiser, I can see now that I was naive going into a humanities/arts degree and paying that kind of money and having the expectations I did. But with all that said - I'm glad a have a degree. From a personal achievement perspective I'm glad I did it, but also I couldn't be making the career decision I'm making now without a degree so it is useful to me now.

I definitely feel like I paid for a piece of paper though - a mostly useless one too. I had a great sense of that throughout my degree.

Just imagine how PhD students feel when they pay £4,000 fees.
Original post by zigglr
Someone doing Law or Investment Banking definitely has a high value for money course, because they will most likely be earning on or over £100k after a few years.


It's a reach to suggest that someone doing Law will ''most likely" earn £100k after a couple of decades. Anyone doing a bachelor's degeee in Investment Banking is at the university of the Internet.

Original post by zigglr

Also, Uni prestige is almost completely irrelevent between degrees. Someone studying an unspecialised degree at a Russell group University most likely won't be earning anything near someone who studies a specialised degree (such as Law) at a non - Russell group University


Again, pretty well complete nonsense. A majority of those graduating with degrees in Law will never (get the chance to) practice. The idea that Russell Group humanities grads aren't earning "anywhere near‘ these people is preposterous.


The truth here is that you've decided to do a degree in Law and are desparate to be reassured of the rightness of your decision. On another thread the day before yesterday when several practicing lawyers set you aright on a point that was a clear disappointment for you, your response was to find a quiet corner of the board to try again to find confirmation for your claim. But what lawyers seek to build is argument. Only arguing for what you want to think is the case and folding every time you're asked "any evidence for that?" isn't very terribly promising for a career in the law.
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Reply 74
Original post by cambio wechsel
It's a reach to suggest that someone doing Law will ''most likely" earn £100k after a couple of decades.

I was talking about corporate Law, and if you really need to see salaries for yourself, you can check rollonfriday



Original post by cambio wechsel
The idea that Russell Group humanities grads aren't earning "anywhere near‘ these people is preposterous.

So are you saying that unspecialised humanities degrees such as Philosophy earn the same or more than specialised degrees such as medicine, Law veterinary medicine?

I really don't understand your reasoning here
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Original post by zigglr
I was talking about corporate Law


You were not, though I can do no other than concede that you might have been thinking about it.

Still most lawyers are not corporate lawyers and most Law graduates never practice Law, with this truer of those graduating from the less well regarded institutions.

The claim that Law students [are getting good value because they] will "most likely earn 100k after a few years”, collapses then into the reduced claim that a small percentage of law graduates are. The graduates of newer universities who go on to enjoy >100k p.a. careers in corporate law are by no means representative of outcomes for their cohort.

Indeed if enjoying this outcome is the condition of value for money then the corollary of your argument is that the large majority of law students are not getting that value.


Original post by zigglr
So are you saying that unspecialised degrees earn the same or more than specialised degrees such as medicine, Law veterinary medicine?


Veterinary Science and Medicine, no. But these don't help your case since there is no little regarded medical school or veterinary school, such that it can be claimed that the degree subject compensates for the status of the institution.

But your more general mistake, and you have been gently corrected in it by nulli tertius and Birkenhead that I have seen, is what's suggested by that "such as", supposing that Law is a vocational degree of a piece with Medicine or Veterinary science.
Uni is really short as well some courses are like 8-10 hours a week and only 24 weeks a year. But I guess you still get a degree and not like USA system so thank God for that!
Original post by ComputerMaths97
To be fair. Hear me out... 4 in 10 people are f*cking idiots but that doesn't tell us anything. The people that think it's not value for money are the ones doing Land Economy at Kingston University... like you don't hear a Computer Scientist from Cambridge get a 1st, go work for Google then say "nah my degree was a rip off" do you? Basically 4/10 University students are too stupid for University and shouldn't of gone...


Says you, who doesn't know the difference between 'have' and 'of'.
Reply 78
As a prospective computer science student who is going for the sole purpose of gaining the skills to start my own business (already know what it will be but I need the skills to put it together), I think that £9k tuition is fine. It is not 'value for money', but I don't care at all about having to pay it back.
I only had 12 hours of contact time a week. Needless to say, my Russian family were like "what a rip-off" when they heard about it.

The social atmosphere wasn't well suited towards me. I don't drink and I don't like parties which end at 2am. I also don't do shisha or any drugs. People just stuck to their little groups, purposely excluding other people.

If I were to do my degree all over again, I would've just done it in the OU instead. Would've had a better degree and better prospects than I do now.

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