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Cameron wants to ban encryption

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Reply 20
Original post by Puddles the Monkey
Is this just a front so that another less severe law has a chance to pass...?


Original post by Dallercoder
I'm sure this will turn out just the same as his shoddy porn block laws. I don't think he realises that when you try to ban something, it becomes more popular?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a compliance method commonly studied in social psychology. The persuader attempts to convince the respondent to comply by making a large request that the respondent will most likely turn down, much like a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face.

Basically go big, then everyone sees your 'reduced terms' as a win. :evil:
Original post by Puddles the Monkey
From Business Insider.
It's worth reading the whole article because I'm not tech enough to explain everything clearly :eek3:
Edit: Another interesting opinion piece here - "Encryption should be a global human right, Mr Cameron"
Cameron wants to ban encryption to allow government access to information in the name of preventing terrorism, but this would also leave online data open to malicious attacks from criminals and hackers. It's even been said it would "spell the end for e-commerce" in the UK.
Is Cameron clueless?
Is this just a front so that another less severe law has a chance to pass...?
:holmes:



Original post by GuppyFox
We have all been followed around by microphones and cameras all day, they are called our phones. People are even freely giving out their location, photos and thoughts through social media anyway.
I don't get all this 'BUT 1984' hype, we are already heavily monitored and unless you are a criminal, has anything changed? No!
I still think people need to understand that the government really don't care, we are lucky to be living in a state that are more 'for the people' then people really think. Saying that, breaking down encryption only lets hackers take information more freely, I'm more worried for losing credit card details, having private comments or thoughts to friends exposed and then blasted out of control, and things like that rather than the government 'spying' on me. I'd happily be checked that I am not going to threaten a lot of innocent lives, but I'm not happy to be unemployable because every employer is looking through my stupid text messages from when I was 13 (that being said I don't even think there's anything bad, but people shouldn't have to over think every word they ever say).
However saying alllllllll that, pressure from people to make sure the government don't step out of line and do go OTT is greatly appreciated. So even though I don't agree with some of the talk, I'm happy it is being discussed.


But your missing the point: we should be able to use encryption to stop world governments and others from using technology to spy on us. Also awareness of constant surveillance can impact upon the ways that people act even if its not acted on => surveillance of innocent people impacts upon their freedom. See: panopticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticism.
Original post by TomatoLounge
But your missing the point: we should be able to use encryption to stop world governments and others from using technology to spy on us. Also awareness of constant surveillance can impact upon the ways that people act even if its not acted on => surveillance of innocent people impacts upon their freedom. See: panopticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticism.


I'm also worried that this reduces the influence the United Kingdom and the United States has on commenting on human rights issues in other countries- it gives dictatorships the perfect excuse to oppress and spy on their own citizens. Take this for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

A tu quoque fallacy on the part of the Soviet Union, but an appealing one to the Politburo nonetheless.

Or if the same surveillance technology used by the NSA/GCHQ ends up in the hands of dictatorships...
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Original post by GuppyFox
If this was to happen there's still the old fashioned method of talking in an empty place quietly, there's always a way to talk in private. This will just hurt people and businesses more than any gain.


Are you a serial killer? :holmes:
Only a cereal killer...
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Original post by Roving Fish
Are you a serial killer? :holmes:
Ffs Cameron does not belong in the digital age.

He's a Pentium processor trying to run Crysis 3 or a floppy disc trying to store all the Fast and Furious movies. Him and digital policies just don't work.
Original post by Professor Oak
Ffs Cameron does not belong in the digital age.
He's a Pentium processor trying to run Crysis 3 or a floppy disc trying to store all the Fast and Furious movies. Him and digital policies just don't work.


Someone will tell him that he's being stupid soon. It's a totally ludicrous idea.
Original post by Professor Oak
Ffs Cameron does not belong in the digital age.
He's a Pentium processor trying to run Crysis 3 or a floppy disc trying to store all the Fast and Furious movies. Him and digital policies just don't work.


Yes its laughable that they actually think its possible to ban encryption. They did great work 'banning' the pirate bay... :colone:
Original post by Roving Fish
Someone will tell him that he's being stupid soon. It's a totally ludicrous idea.


Idk, it's been knocking around for months now :afraid:
Well, if he managed to 1. pass such a law and 2. actually implement such a law, I'd be very surprised indeed. My partner (a cryptographer) just read that article, laughed, and said "good luck"...

I really hope he doesn't go through with it because this is a terrible idea.
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Original post by peso
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique

The door-in-the-face (DITF) technique is a compliance method commonly studied in social psychology. The persuader attempts to convince the respondent to comply by making a large request that the respondent will most likely turn down, much like a metaphorical slamming of a door in the persuader's face.

Basically go big, then everyone sees your 'reduced terms' as a win. :evil:


You sure are right, shame that people voted this buffoon in, despite the fact he wants to tear down our freedoms bit by bit.
Original post by Dallercoder
You sure are right, shame that people voted this buffoon in, despite the fact he wants to tear down our freedoms bit by bit.


Which is why I argue that with the Lib Dems as coalition partners, these original 'door-slam' policies were not as bad, making the after effect even better. Now we get to have even bigger slams, followed by something still terrible.
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Original post by GuppyFox
Which is why I argue that with the Lib Dems as coalition partners, these original 'door-slam' policies were not as bad, making the after effect even better. Now we get to have even bigger slams, followed by something still terrible.


Absolutely, I think the Lib Dems were too harshly panned when in the coalition but they were the sole reason that the Tories didn't go overboard with their policies between 2010 and 2015. Now they're out of the picture, the Conservatives have free reign to make lives difficult and miserable for all but the rich.
Reply 34
Clearly a bad idea, but is anyone else interested in seeing how farcical the implementation would be?
Original post by Dallercoder
Absolutely, I think the Lib Dems were too harshly panned when in the coalition but they were the sole reason that the Tories didn't go overboard with their policies between 2010 and 2015. Now they're out of the picture, the Conservatives have free reign to make lives difficult and miserable for all but the rich.


It was painful to see Nick Clegg not capitalise on this during the run up to the election!
Reply 36
He's a smart guy but with the wisdom of a potato.
Original post by miser
He's a smart guy but with the wisdom of a potato.


Well he's not very subtle about wanting to expose everyone's privacy, and only for purely illogical, selfish reasons.

Original post by GuppyFox
It was painful to see Nick Clegg not capitalise on this during the run up to the election!


See, THIS is exactly what I thought, but nobody would really reflect on this issue until Nick was gone and now he is, I think we lost someone of key importance in the role of government, a mediator of sorts.
Original post by Dallercoder
See, THIS is exactly what I thought, but nobody would really reflect on this issue until Nick was gone and now he is, I think we lost someone of key importance in the role of government, a mediator of sorts.
I 100% agree, the things he was shamed for (such as tuition fees) were things he still cared about and didn't want.

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