If you don't leave the EU you're weak

"Everyone I disagree with is biased so the only evidence you can trust is the evidence I give you"

Conveniently, all of the experts disagree with you which gives you a very good excuse to disregard all of the evidence that actually matters.

Dictatorship lmao.

It's really telling how the Leave campaign need to invent this narrative of a big scary EU that we need to battle. These people are living in a fantasy world where they're heroic freedom warriors. Pathetic.

Who in their right conscience raises this bunch of right-wing bigots?

XcitingStuart is absolutely ridiculous. Probably the biggest leave nut on here

Oh come on, the economic argument put out by Remain is suspect at best. I don't know if you've looked at the reports that have come out in detail, but the assumptions that are being used for these models are ludicrous. The basis for all the models being touted by Remain are assuming that we would have no trade deal, with anyone at all, in place until at least 2023 and that we would retain all the tariffs on foreign goods that the EU currently demands. Further, they all predict growth within the other EU states far in excess of what we currently see, without any real justification as to why. I think you'll agree that all these assumptions are not only groundless, but also pessimistic in the extreme.

And that's before you get to the elephant in the room economically; Greece. Whilst I agree that short-term our economy will take something of a dip if we leave, to make any claims about our mid or long-term economic wellbeing in the EU you'd have to set out the means by which the Greek debt crisis is going to be resolved. And given as the IMF has just downgraded that debt, essentially saying that it does not believe the debt can ever be repaid, Greece's - and by extension the whole eurozone's - outlook is decidedly grim.

In the mid and long term, there is far more economic risk in staying. No one knows how the Greek debt will resolve, no one knows how the migrant crisis will resolve and no one knows how hard the EU is gonna push for the fiscal and political union its leaders so desire. Extremist, left and right wing populist parties are on the rise and the whole eurozone is trapped in a stagflationary cycle. And no one has even suggested how any of these problems are to be resolved.

Also, the argument that lots of experts think we should stay, so we should stay, is only reasonable if those experts are objective. Given as the Treasury is a government department, they're gonna be pretty biased. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why our staying in the EU would serve the IMF and the US well; their support for Remain is entirely motivated by self-interest rather than a burning desire to help the British public.

Typical British people too scared to stand up for themselves and let their voices be heard, its time to change, its time to leave.

I have heard some extremely intelligent economists talking about Brexit. I am not an economist so the next best thing is for me to listen to the expert consensus, and that is overwhelmingly in favour of supporting remaining in the EU. They are not idiots, I have faith that they've got a good reason to support what they're saying. Certainly a more credible basis than whatever the Brexit campaign decides they're going to say at a particular moment, which isn't supported by any experts.

There are also plenty of competent economists in favour of Brexit.

http://www.economistsforbrexit.co.uk/


I'd be a good idea to find some impartial economists to assess the pros and cons of leaving or staying in the EU.

Your point is void.

That website lists eight people. You can find eight seemingly competent scientists who think climate change is a scam, that doesn't mean they're worth taking seriously. The overwhelming majority of economists think that leaving the EU would be a very bad decision economically so I'm going to listen to them, rather than a tiny minority.

Suit yourself.

There are also plenty of competent economists in favour of Brexit.

http://www.economistsforbrexit.co.uk/


I'd be a good idea to find some impartial economists to assess the pros and cons of leaving or staying in the EU.

Your point is void.

That website lists eight people. You can find eight seemingly competent scientists who think climate change is a scam, that doesn't mean they're worth taking seriously. The overwhelming majority of economists think that leaving the EU would be a very bad decision economically so I'm going to listen to them, rather than a tiny minority. I don't understand why you think most economists somehow have a bias preventing them from saying that leaving the EU would be good if that was indeed the case.

The EU is the only power keeping the Tory government in check. If that was to go then the Tories could do whatever they want including stripping away some of our rights. We could still have another referendum down the line with a government that will actually protect us, until then i would vote to remain.

I really can't wait to see how this plays out, and the 'out/leave' narrow minded people fall flat on their faces.


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