Suspected Islamists foiled in attempt to kidnap at RAF Marham

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two men armed with knives, described as 'arabic/ middle eastern looking' attempted to force a recruit into a people carrier. the Victim apparently knocked one to the floor and the fought off the other and escaped. Police are looking for suspects in Norfolk area.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...or-attack.html
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Where about's in the article does it state the attackers were Arabic?

Interesting that the Daily Fail refers to their Middle Eastern appearance no fewer than 5 times compared to the BBCs two.
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How exactly do you know it was Islamists or a terror plot? Is it because of their Middle-Eastern ethnicity? If so, that's racist.
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How exactly do you know it was Islamists or a terror plot? Is it because of their Middle-Eastern ethnicity? If so, that's racist.
Racist, maybe. Wrong, not necessarily.
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Racist, maybe. Wrong, not necessarily.
I wouldn't class every single home-grown radicalised individual as an Islamist militant, chances are these guys are just broken individuals radicalised by ISIS propaganda, and not actual militants - neither is attempting and failing to kidnap a soldier a terror attack. All of course assuming that there was an Islamist motive, which is unconfirmed apart from by the all-knowing Daily Mail.
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Another incidence of terrorism, eh?
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How exactly do you know it was Islamists or a terror plot? Is it because of their Middle-Eastern ethnicity? If so, that's racist.
Ah so they are just good old harmless murderers then. You're honestly quite incredible.
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Ah so they are just good old harmless murderers then. You're honestly quite incredible.
according to you, you can be a murderer without killing someone

that's what is incredible
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Another incidence of terrorism, eh?
If a failed kidnapping attempt is a terrorist attack, we would have had hundreds of thousands of terror attacks in this country alone, lmfao.
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according to you, you can be a murderer without killing someone

that's what is incredible
If you're in the act of attempting to murder someone - can't see what else they had planned for this chap - then yes, you're a murderer. It makes them somebody who attempts to murder people; a murderer. Do other mundanely simple things confuse you this much?
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If a failed kidnapping attempt is a terrorist attack, we would have had hundreds of thousands of terror attacks in this country alone, lmfao.
Seriously? How many failed attempts to kidnap an agent of the government in pursuance of ideological aims happen every year?
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Seriously? How many failed attempts to kidnap an agent of the government in pursuance of ideological aims happen every year?
soldiers "agents of the government" lolwut
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If you're in the act of attempting to murder someone - can't see what else they had planned for this chap - then yes, you're a murderer. It makes them somebody who attempts to murder people; a murderer. Do other mundanely simple things confuse you this much?
How do you know they planned to murder him? As opposed to holding him hostage for ransom, or sending him to other terrorist groups for money or something? are you in contact with these two individuals?

And its laughable that you think you can be a murderer without actually having killed someone, lmao. According to you, these two people are murderers for attempted kidnapping lmfao.
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soldiers "agents of the government" lolwut
Yes. Is that hard to grasp?
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Yes. Is that hard to grasp?
its hard to grasp how you seem to know these guys motives, before they have been formally identified, let alone captured and interrogated
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How do you know they planned to murder him? As opposed to holding him hostage for ransom, or sending him to other terrorist groups for money or something? are you in contact with these two individuals?

And its laughable that you think you can be a murderer without actually having killed someone, lmao. According to you, these two people are murderers for attempted kidnapping lmfao.
Well it's only laughable to you because you don't know the difference between the act of comitting murder and the intent to murder. Both in fact make you a murderer. Occams razor would suggest that murder is simplest explanation, your kidnap hogwash requires too much extra.
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Well it's only laughable to you because you don't know the difference between the act of comitting murder and the intent to murder. Both in fact make you a murderer. Occams razor would suggest that murder is simplest explanation, your kidnap hogwash requires too much extra.
lets drop this legal view here, you are not a murderer unless you have killed someone, or your actions have led to someone dying

no one has died here, so stop de-railing the argument to some pathetic dispute about whether or not these non-murderers are murderers.
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lets drop this legal view here, you are not a murderer unless you have killed someone, or your actions have led to someone dying

no one has died here, so stop de-railing the argument to some pathetic dispute about whether or not these non-murderers are murderers.
Wrong again. If you intend to murder then you are a murderer.
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Wrong again. If you intend to murder then you are a murderer.
in what world? or under the influence of which psychedelic drugs?
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in what world? or under the influence of which psychedelic drugs?
In the world where the intent of your actions defines you. AKA the real world.
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