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    (Original post by QE2)
    But your question is flawed because you are looking at the rate pre and post a particular piece of legislation, not pre and post general control.
    The UK has had strict gun comtrols since the 19th century.
    Ireland has had strict gun comtrol since 1925.
    You are citing pieces of legislation enacted to close perceived loopholes in existing legislation, which applied in practice to very few people.

    In the US, pretty much any adult can still buy a range of firearms with little to no control.
    You must compare like with like, not apples and oranges.

    The argument is not to "ban guns" but to introduce controls like those in the UK. This would undoubtedly see a reduction in the rate of firearm homicide, and thus a reduction in the overall rate.
    Or are you claiming that Americans are culturally, or genetically, four times more inclined to murder than Brits, and that in the presence of strict gun controls there would be a fourfold increase in stabbings, stranglings, poisonings, etc?
    One of the reasons that guns are so popular for killing people is that it is quick, involves little to no effort, and it can be done from a distance. It's why armies prefer them over swords, clubs, etc.
    I would say it's cultural, are you implying that inanimate objects convince people to kill?
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    Hey, it's the toddlers who don't have guns that are the problem. We need to arm all toddlers so that people can protect themselves from the bad ones.
    Not just arm them - toddlers need portable nuclear weapons and so do babies and we should equip the foetus with a Kalashnikov shortly after conception.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    You seem to be under the misapprehension that every US murder using firearms whould still have been committed by some other means if the gun had not been available.
    The figures simply don't support this. It is clear that the overall homicide rate in countries with strict gun controls tend to be lower than in countries with uncontrolled gun access.

    To use the countries you cited in your argument, the three countries with gun contro have intentional homicide rates of about 1/100,000. The USA has a rate four times as high.
    You are saying removing guns reduces the homocide rate it didn't happen in the countries I mentioned why? The guns were available then they weren't and the murder rate increased.
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    (Original post by Lord Harold)
    One wonders if Americans kill more toddlers than jihadists?
    American toddlers are absolutely lethal right across the Midwest, but the problem is spreading and it won't be many years before we have Swat and take-down teams focused entirely on toddlers over here.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Banning guns doesn't reduce the murder rate it didn't in the uk, Ireland or Australia why would it work in the USA?
    Yes it will. You cant go into a mall and kill 30 people in 3 minutes with a knife.
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    This is why Trump will not be a good president in my opinion. He is biased and bigoted, far too invested into his own business endeavors to care about the country unless it benefits him and his business empire in some way. He is a pretender, he uses Mexicans and Muslims as scapegoats to mask the real issues occurring. Majority of mass shootings that occur in the United States are by white Americans, yet no gun laws have been introduced.
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    (Original post by WhiteKnight747)
    Yes it will. You cant go into a mall and kill 30 people in 3 minutes with a knife.
    Well why did it not reduce the murder rate in the uk, Ireland and Australia?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Well why did it not reduce the murder rate in the uk, Ireland and Australia?
    Did you read the article I linked earlier?

    The overall homicide rate rose and then fell in the UK (green line). It has fallen in Australia (purple line).

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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    You are saying removing guns reduces the homocide rate it didn't happen in the countries I mentioned why? The guns were available then they weren't and the murder rate increased.
    *sigh*
    UK, Ireland and Australia have had strict gun controls for decades before the particular piece of legislation you talk about.
    In your words, they had already "banned guns". The later legislation was just fine tuning.

    So, when you understand thus, perhaps you will see the problem with your argument that "banning guns" didn't change the murder rate because guns were already "banned".
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Well why did it not reduce the murder rate in the uk, Ireland and Australia?
    Because Uk, Ireland and Australia already had strict gun control laws!

    Your argument requires that the gun control laws in the UK, Ireland and Australia in the 70s and 80s was the same as US gun control laws today, and the proliferation of guns the same
    They weren't. The laws were already much, much stricter and there were already far, far fewer guns in circulation!
    :facepalm2:

    Just to be sure - do you think that there were basically no gun controls in the UK, Ireland and Australia before the 1980/90ss?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Did you read the article I linked earlier?

    The overall homicide rate rose and then fell in the UK (green line). It has fallen in Australia (purple line).

    It fell after there was a big recruitment drive and more money going to the police
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Because Uk, Ireland and Australia already had strict gun control laws!

    Your argument requires that the gun control laws in the UK, Ireland and Australia in the 70s and 80s was the same as US gun control laws today, and the proliferation of guns the same
    They weren't. The laws were already much, much stricter and there were already far, far fewer guns in circulation!
    :facepalm2:

    Just to be sure - do you think that there were basically no gun controls in the UK, Ireland and Australia before the 1980/90ss?
    I know there was strict gun laws but the idea that stricter gun laws = less homocide is proven wrong by these countries
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Do you think banning guns reduces the murder rate?
    Of course it does! After the snowdrop pressure group forced the government to get rid of handguns, the number of mass shootings, school shootings decreased. Yes, people are still killed in the UK with illegal guns or other weapons, but the number of people getting shot (an injury which you are 4X more likely to die from) has decreased. You are a fool to think otherwise.
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    What about jihadi toddlers with guns?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I know there was strict gun laws but the idea that stricter gun laws = less homocide is proven wrong by these countries
    But America doesn't already have strict gun control laws!
    When compared with countries that do have strict gun control, it does = less homicide. As far as the three contries you used as example - 75% less! That's a pretty big difference.

    (I mean, seriously? Are you still on about this?)
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    Hence no one really cares about kids. We all have one because we're selfish and want them to be the next big thing lol..I think there's too many anyway sure China only let people have one. So anyway watch out for your child on a rampage lol!!!
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    (Original post by saskbass)
    Of course it does! After the snowdrop pressure group forced the government to get rid of handguns, the number of mass shootings, school shootings decreased. Yes, people are still killed in the UK with illegal guns or other weapons, but the number of people getting shot (an injury which you are 4X more likely to die from) has decreased. You are a fool to think otherwise.
    Once again not gun deaths,does banning guns reduce the homocide rate?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    we should equip the foetus with a Kalashnikov shortly after conception.
    doubles up as a way to defend themselves against those evil abortionists and those dastardly women who want bodily autonomy :fuhrer:

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    Kalashnikov
    also that sounds very red of you comrade, what's wrong with a good old fashioned 'murrican made M16
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Do you think banning guns reduces the murder rate?
    Yes, for USA. In Uk it wouldn't make a diff where stabbing is the main way to kill someone violently, but that's because our gun laws are tighter than US's. Few people have balls to stab someone when they've been spoiled with firearms. And it's safe to say UK is safer than USA still.

    Crossbow crime would rise though.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Once again not gun deaths,does banning guns reduce the homocide rate?
    Perhaps not, but it does reduce the number of deaths as people are less likely to get killed by gun than knife.
 
 
 
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