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Is Oxford reapplication truly something I should do?

I unfortunately heard the bad news today; that my application to study Physics at Worcester College was unsuccessful. I should've really predicted this, considering something like ~90% of students do not receive an offer for the course, but it does come with a sting.

I didn't expect to make it this far- when I sat the PAT earlier this year, I thought it was over. It felt much harder than previous years (none of the more common motifs came up) and I truly struggled on that day. Nonetheless, my hopes were reignited when I was invted to interview a month later and especially when I felt I performed well in those interviews.

So, I kind of got my hopes up. It's a really weird scenario because I hadn't even decided what my first choice university would be - Oxford sounds great for prestige + tutorial system, but I have the "gifted kid problem" of being unused to working hard so I thought it might be a very harsh four years! I also applied to Edinburgh, Lancaster, Durham, and Manchester, which are all outstanding universities for Physics (and Astrophysics, which was the speciality I applied for) so I had/have many good options to choose from.

And yet, as we came closer to today, I found myself more and more in the Oxford spirit, and so I am now vaguely considering reapplication next year. Maybe the rejection sucks more than the material idea of not going to Oxford ("tying up self-worth with your Oxbridge application" etc etc) or is it truly that I feel worse-off for missing out on a place at a very historic place? I'm not too sure, my feelings are very muddled today.

In short though, I'm not too keen on taking a full gap year. I really would doubt I'd spend it well, especially with the vestiges of the pandemic still going on, and it seems almost scary and lonely. I've heard of reapplying for Oxford while at a different university, but that also seems somewhat disrespectful and yet again I would miss a year in terms of the time when I would receive my qualification.

Is the undergrad programme (specifically for Physics but honestly in general with the tutorial system too) worth the second try, or should I look at completing my integrated masters at a different university and see if I could go to Oxbridge for postgrad? Should I even try to get in for postgrad, or (looking at DPhils) is the so-called specialness of Oxford not really shown anywhere else but in their undergrad programmes?

Thanks! :smile:
Original post by Ampere
I unfortunately heard the bad news today; that my application to study Physics at Worcester College was unsuccessful. I should've really predicted this, considering something like ~90% of students do not receive an offer for the course, but it does come with a sting.

I didn't expect to make it this far- when I sat the PAT earlier this year, I thought it was over. It felt much harder than previous years (none of the more common motifs came up) and I truly struggled on that day. Nonetheless, my hopes were reignited when I was invted to interview a month later and especially when I felt I performed well in those interviews.

So, I kind of got my hopes up. It's a really weird scenario because I hadn't even decided what my first choice university would be - Oxford sounds great for prestige + tutorial system, but I have the "gifted kid problem" of being unused to working hard so I thought it might be a very harsh four years! I also applied to Edinburgh, Lancaster, Durham, and Manchester, which are all outstanding universities for Physics (and Astrophysics, which was the speciality I applied for) so I had/have many good options to choose from.

And yet, as we came closer to today, I found myself more and more in the Oxford spirit, and so I am now vaguely considering reapplication next year. Maybe the rejection sucks more than the material idea of not going to Oxford ("tying up self-worth with your Oxbridge application" etc etc) or is it truly that I feel worse-off for missing out on a place at a very historic place? I'm not too sure, my feelings are very muddled today.

In short though, I'm not too keen on taking a full gap year. I really would doubt I'd spend it well, especially with the vestiges of the pandemic still going on, and it seems almost scary and lonely. I've heard of reapplying for Oxford while at a different university, but that also seems somewhat disrespectful and yet again I would miss a year in terms of the time when I would receive my qualification.

Is the undergrad programme (specifically for Physics but honestly in general with the tutorial system too) worth the second try, or should I look at completing my integrated masters at a different university and see if I could go to Oxbridge for postgrad? Should I even try to get in for postgrad, or (looking at DPhils) is the so-called specialness of Oxford not really shown anywhere else but in their undergrad programmes?

Thanks! :smile:

Where have you got offers from?
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Original post by Muttley79
Where have you got offers from?

I have currently gotten offers from Manchester and Lancaster, both reduced by contextual, but my projected A-Levels are A*A*A*A* with an A* in the EPQ, so not hitting conditional offers of ABB isn't really too much of a risk. I have not heard back from Edinburgh or Durham, except from multiple emails from the latter saying "we have not made a decision yet." I've heard Durham is notorious for making decisions later on in the process too.

As of right now my first choice is probably between Lancaster and Durham, because I live in Manchester already and a Scottish degree would be an extra year too, although I need to research more into Scottish degrees before I make my decision.
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Original post by Ampere
I have currently gotten offers from Manchester and Lancaster, both reduced by contextual, but my projected A-Levels are A*A*A*A* with an A* in the EPQ, so not hitting conditional offers of ABB isn't really too much of a risk. I have not heard back from Edinburgh or Durham, except from multiple emails from the latter saying "we have not made a decision yet." I've heard Durham is notorious for making decisions later on in the process too.

As of right now my first choice is probably between Lancaster and Durham, because I live in Manchester already and a Scottish degree would be an extra year too, although I need to research more into Scottish degrees before I make my decision.

Manchester is the best department - you can move out ... Durham isn't noted for Physics.
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Original post by Muttley79
Manchester is the best department - you can move out ... Durham isn't noted for Physics.

That's not what I saw when doing research for courses before. If you care about league tables, Durham is consistently high in Physics (and Astrophysics) for them, being 4th for this year I believe in The Guardian's and Complete University Guide. Otherwise, they have all the other trimmings - joint 1st in REF namely, and diversity in physics awards etc - and connections with national and international physics initiatives. It was also always a name I heard get thrown about when discussions of good universities for Physics were held, and my cousin did natural sciences there and really rates the general science department.

I also value the course structure a lot. Astrophysics definitely sounds the most interesting right now, but I may find out that some other part of physics I haven't had the chance to study in much detail at A-Level (e.g quantum physics) is more interesting. Durham and Lancaster both have a common first year for Physics with the option to not choose degree title until sometime in the 2nd. Manchester does not, and I am not going to be wasting money on accomodation if living at home is a viable option, even if it is less desirable.

That being said, have only had the chance to go and look at Lancaster in detail with the pandemic, so I might step onto Manchester's campus and be totally enraptured by whatever happens in the open day. For now, though, it is more so a back-up.
Original post by Ampere
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That being said, have only had the chance to go and look at Lancaster in detail with the pandemic, so I might step onto Manchester's campus and be totally enraptured by whatever happens in the open day. For now, though, it is more so a back-up.

No I don't value League tables and Durham is not very student friendly is terms of keeping you waiting and if you miss the grades it's a pain in delaying decisions.

I would not think it's worth reapplying if you like the other courses.
Reply 6
Original post by Muttley79
No I don't value League tables and Durham is not very student friendly is terms of keeping you waiting and if you miss the grades it's a pain in delaying decisions.

I would not think it's worth reapplying if you like the other courses.

Thank you for the advice! :smile:
Original post by Ampere
Thank you for the advice! :smile:

To be honest, I think I would wait to hear back from all the unis before making any decisons. It would also be good to go and visit them on any offer holder days so you can get a better idea of what they are like. Remember that the Oxford news is very fresh and raw, you will need some time to process it all and reflect, which is probably hard to do in these initial days. You don't need to make any decisions yet.
What did you end up doing, out of curiosity??
Go to Durham, it's a top Russell Group uni that ranks only slightly below Oxford and Cambridge in UK league tables
Heyy I was just wondering what date did you hear back from Worcester about physics??

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