why didnt the 15-year-old save baby p?

My mum was crying when she read about Baby P the other day. And I've never seen her cry about things in the news.

I don't think people are over reacting as such because it's a major failure of the system. it's the way they're reacting that's getting to me. that article, for example, just the way it was written.....it was more like a novel than a newspaper article. it's almost like they're glamorising it all.

anyway, what I was going to say is that while this has happened and it is a tragedy lets not forget the huge amount of kids that social services stops this kind of thing happening to, the amount of cases that it intervenes in to make kids lives better. it sounds like the flaw of one or two people who have ultimate control over decision making, rather than a flaw of the system.

Hell no. This is a massive over-reaction by any stretch of the imagination. Were you, by any chance, one of the people who gave the Madeleine McCann story at least 6 months before starting to question "Isn't this a little over-the-top"?

Over-reacting? I don't think there has been enough of a reaction. A baby being systematically abused for months and months and was eventually tortured to death under the nose of the idiots in charge is absolutely the sickest thing I have ever read. This baby was taught to put his head on the floor by his ****** step-dad when he came in a room. Imagine how terrified he was. With a broken back, 8 broken ribs and countless other injuries he smiled at a social worker when she visited him just before he died. Probably trying to get her to lift him out of the pushchair he was in so she would notice his injuries. The bitch did nothing. Just looked at him in the pushchair and told his whore mother to clean his face. With any luck you will never be in as much pain and as unloved and as worthless in the eyes of the government as that baby was. If you were would you think a public outcry is an over reaction?

How is it an over reaction though?? It's sick, i can't think of anything worse than a child tortured to death by it's own family!!!!! you obviously live on a different planet to everyone else!!! and the Madeleine McCann story is tragic too! I wouldn't say it was over the top either, noone knows what has happened to that beautiful little girl

I don't think people are over reacting as such because it's a major failure of the system. it's the way they're reacting that's getting to me. that article, for example, just the way it was written.....it was more like a novel than a newspaper article. it's almost like they're glamorising it all.

anyway, what I was going to say is that while this has happened and it is a tragedy lets not forget the huge amount of kids that social services stops this kind of thing happening to, the amount of cases that it intervenes in to make kids lives better. it sounds like the flaw of one or two people who have ultimate control over decision making, rather than a flaw of the system.

Wow, they've VERY alike

The public outcry is an overreaction because its not really leading towards anything. If the British public were actually going out and creating pressure groups and holding political activist demonstrations to campaign the government to increase spending in Social Services to prevent things like this happening again, then fine ... but instead everyone is sitting on their arses idly whining about the story to try to morally justify themselves.

And yes, if I was in that much pain and was that unloved I'd still think that an outcry from anyone of the circle of people who know me is an overreaction because its nothing to do with them.

It's an over-reaction because it really doesn't have a lot to do with you, or any of the people on TSR. Unless you knew Baby P (and I'm assuming here you don't), what involvement do you have with the story that requires you to feel so strongly about it? As for claiming you can't think of anything worse than the baby p story .... how about terrorist bombings, or poverty in africa, or the weapons crises in Iran? In fact, anything which involves the death of more than one person is worse because the deathcount is higher. And the Maddie story may have been sad, but it was a case of neglect, nothing else, and it became irritating sensationalism after about 2 weeks anyway.

Like I said people haven't over-reacted enough. They should be doing what you have mentioned. If it was me who had been let down like Peter had been it had been reported in the papers I would hope that everyone was angry and upset and wanted justice. As for Madeleine McCann I think that everything should have been done to find her. If she was my child I would have wanted everything to be done to find her and I would want huge coverage. However I would not have been as stupid and naive as to leave her alone in a hotel room but that is a different topic.

http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2008/07/store-fined-300-for-using-wrong-bin.html

nice to see Haringey know what is important.

I know

This is pathetic, she was probably scared herself (the 15yr old); for all she knew, the parents would've done the same to her. How the **** can you blame her???

No, people have over-reacted enough. If they were taking up some kind of activism I wouldn't say they were over-reacting, but this kind of thing on a forum certainly is. Incidentally, the focus of these discussions shouldn't be about Baby P at all, but rather about what can be done to prevent similar situations occuring in the future. It's intellectually easier for everyone to just say "Awwww omg omg thats awful poor poor child hope the parents burn in hell cry cry cry" than to ever discuss anything productive. Everything was done to find Madeleine, unfortunately, nobody could. Her parents were directly accountable for the problem and depsite raising a small fortune through charity based off the good nature of others (which they had no problem spending invidiously, btw), taxpayers still ended up helping to pay for the bill.

Cheers for the bad rep btw, its nice to see your as brainwashed as the rest of 'em.

You deserved the neg. At least I signed mine - unlike you when you retaliated.

You think people need to 'grow up' because they are upset that a baby was tortured and killed? You, clearly, are severely lacking in compassion, and not only that but you're very ill mannered.

I'm certainly not lacking in compassion, I'm just a realist. I like to take a cynical view on life as opposed to the general consensus on TSR to leap blindly over everything the media say and create massive outpouring of emotions over things in other peoples lives because our own are so boring.