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SpiritedAway
I remember doing my english presentation on this when I studied Color Purple. Sick imo.


When my friend and I both read and discussed The Color Purple, I found out that her mum went through FGM :frown: So that really made the issue seem real to me.

I tried to read Alice Walker's book Possessing the Secret of Joy which is about the character Tashi from The Color Purple and about FGM, but it was too sad :frown:
Reply 61
DD2
I'm certainly not saying it is a good idea and should be banned, but if females are circumsized, they are less willing for sex, therefore have less sex, therefore spread aids around less.


And is it working? :curious:
I suppose if a vast number of women die during childbirth and/or suffer the perils of an infection down there because the surgery isn't done in hygienic circumstances then it's all good because the rates of AIDs spreading might go down slightly. :yes: :rolleyes:
Reply 62
DD2 you are completely wrong

if in african countries they stopped believing in **** like magic etc and wore condoms then there would be a lot less cases of aids etc, unfortunately even the president of south africa believes washing his penis under fresh tap water will protect him from aids. gives us a scale of the problem
Reply 63
xps.systems


And why don't they use local anaesthetic? Can't women experience sexual pleasure minus the clitoris - with their G-spotty?


I doubt the average Somalian has access to anaesthetic.

I would also suspect although I'm no expert that the amount of pleasure from sex is very much decreased by this practice. But that seems by the by. Also I doubt the average Somalian has the first idea where the G spot is, hell the average man doesn't. :smile:

It's a barbaric custom let's face it.
:eek:
Reply 64
borismor
Unfortunately it's enough for the husband to catch aids to infect her as well.

And her willingness has nothing to do with it. Rapes are very common in Africa.

I refuse to believe that the amount of sex a girl in africa has is unrelated to how much she wants it. She might not want it and be raped, but if she then likes sex she will be raped and then have sex with someone else. To the other poster who quoted me, according to that video it is done by a doctor or some kind of specialist, who probably knows that holding the knife in a fire until it glows is neccesairy (and the bare minimum).
sleekchic
I'm sorry but do you even know what you are saying? The process of cirsumcision is more than enough to infect females with HIV.


QFT. If you really want to prevent HIV give them triple anti-biotics for the rest of their days. It's proven to almost eliminate the movement of HIV. Some have even been tested and found 0 trace in the blood and minimal trace in genital fluids.

Sauce: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126966.100-are-we-about-to-eliminate-aids.html
Reply 66
Tom Spen
DD2 you are completely wrong

if in african countries they stopped believing in **** like magic etc and wore condoms then there would be a lot less aids, unfortunately even the president of south africa believes washing his penis under fresh tap water will protect him from aids. gives us a scale of the problem


Does he really? Or is that just something you heard somewhere once and decided was a fact?
Reply 67
It is a disgusting, barbaric practice. The sole intention is to have control over women, and the torture continues even after the female gets married. It's sick.
Reply 68
DD2
I refuse to believe that the amount of sex a girl in africa has is unrelated to how much she wants it.


Do you know who has the most sex in Africa? Prostitutes. Do you think it's because they want to have sex?
Reply 69
EskimoJo
Does he really? Or is that just something you heard somewhere once and decided was a fact?

no, it really is true, i will find a news link for you. gimme a few minutes though
DD2
I refuse to believe that the amount of sex a girl in africa has is unrelated to how much she wants it. She might not want it and be raped, but if she then likes sex she will be raped and then have sex with someone else. To the other poster who quoted me, according to that video it is done by a doctor or some kind of specialist, who probably knows that holding the knife in a fire until it glows is neccesairy (and the bare minimum).

Females in this situation would be lucky to have circumcision done by a doctor. Infact very few of them are done by doctors and the vast majority of them ae done by backwater "doctors"(native doctors), community leaders or people who have know experience whatsever.
Reply 71
EskimoJo
Does he really? Or is that just something you heard somewhere once and decided was a fact?

"with the next president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against infection."

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone--apart-from-aids-1430428.html

ill try to get another source different to a column
Hispanic-Impressions
And thank God it's dying out.

Neither "culture" nor "tradition" are a justficiation for this horrific practice.


Thats what I was getting at. To us it's a "horrific practice", but they've been doing it for a long time. I don't like it at all - I think it's absolutely awful, but my point was that we can't just dismiss all these kinds of rituals and behaviours as 'backward' or 'uncivilised' with the click of a finger. It's tangled up with cultural relativism, and ethnocentricity...isn't it?
borismor
This custom is still legal in some Muslim countries.


no its not.
Original post by l&#618
Thats what I was getting at. To us it's a "horrific practice", but they've been doing it for a long time. I don't like it at all - I think it's absolutely awful, but my point was that we can't just dismiss all these kinds of rituals and behaviours as 'backward' or 'uncivilised' with the click of a finger. It's tangled up with cultural relativism, and ethnocentricity...isn't it?

Yes we can. I am glad that this is more in the spotlight now and that the UN have recognised the horror of it. I think that soon with more pressure the practice will die out but unless we draw attention to it it will just carry on. Culture is not torture.
Reply 75
Not much different to forced male circumcision. Except one is deemed 'socially acceptable' by our standards and one isnt.
Reply 76
DD2
I refuse to believe that the amount of sex a girl in africa has is unrelated to how much she wants it. She might not want it and be raped, but if she then likes sex she will be raped and then have sex with someone else. To the other poster who quoted me, according to that video it is done by a doctor or some kind of specialist, who probably knows that holding the knife in a fire until it glows is neccesairy (and the bare minimum).


I personally doubt most of these procedures are done by doctors in hospitals. And just because some old man/woman has mutilated many girls does not make them a specialist.
Why should mutilation be preferred to education? Why should people have to fear and get pain from sex in order to reduce AIDs? Is such action necessary on other continents? And why should painful sex be limited to females?
Thud
The choice is there for Western women, no one is, hopefully, forced into it. FGM is absolutely sickening, especially it's most extreme form where women are cut open on their wedding night with a knife. Absolutely brutal.


OMG, what?! :eek:

sounds wrong to me but I guess its some crazy culture thing :s-smilie:
Reply 78
Original post by l&#618
Thats what I was getting at. To us it's a "horrific practice", but they've been doing it for a long time. I don't like it at all - I think it's absolutely awful, but my point was that we can't just dismiss all these kinds of rituals and behaviours as 'backward' or 'uncivilised' with the click of a finger. It's tangled up with cultural relativism, and ethnocentricity...isn't it?


In this case moral relativism begins to look absurd. It's an appalling practice that I wouldn't even begin to try and justify, whether it was sanctioned by long existing cultural values or not. Some things are just wrong. I think we can just dismiss it out of hand without any real consideration.
Reply 79
Reue
Not much different to forced male circumcision. Except one is deemed 'socially acceptable' by our standards and one isnt.


Tom Spen, here it goes. :rolleyes:

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