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Original post by ScottishShortiex
Your post is very formal 
I'm a philosophy student so I've learned this formal manner of speaking and writing from essays and debates. I try to pick words which convey exactly what I want to say so I hope it's not offputting.
Original post by ScottishShortiex
Anyway, to answer your question, you wouldn't damaged your self-respect (particularly because your a guy) but girls, I believe should have more respect for themselves, and personally i think glamour modelling is cheap and tacky.
To arguments. Firstly, I don't obviously see why the fact that I'm a guy makes it more acceptable that I can do nude modelling as opposed to a girl. It seems to me that if we wouldn't criticise a guy for doing it then we shouldn't criticise a girl. Most people seem to believe this is true yet not apply it to the realm of sexuality. The use what I like to call the key and lock analogy.
Works like this. Guys are like keys. So the the higher the number of girls he is able to 'unlock' (that is, have sex with) the better the man he is. Guys who particularly successful are 'studs', 'playas' etc. Women are the opposite; they're like locks. Just as a good lock cannot be opened by many keys; so too a good girl cannot allow herself to have sex with many men. Women who do are 'sluts'.
This explains why you might believe it is okay (or at least not as bad) for me to do softcore porn but not for a girl. Since I'm a guy, I'm not supposed to guard my sexuality so if I want to participate in softcore porn then it's not a big deal. Girls are however. So the amount of sexual access (via images, videos) that is allowed through softcore porn is degrading to women. Like locks, they shouldn't be letting very many (if any) 'in'.
I think the double standard of the key and lock analogy is offensive, both to women and to men. If a girl wants to sleep with lots of men, what wrong with that? I don't see anything obviously wrong with that. Self-respect, I think, consists in accepting who you are and what you want out of life. If, because of your personal value system, you wouldn't want to do softcore porn then you shouldn't do it - that would be contrary to respecting yourself. But if another girl, we'll call her Jenna, isn't bothered by or perhaps even enjoys participating in softcore porn, and does so, wherein lies the lack of self-respect?
Moreover, I don't think guys should be encouraged to act like sexual master-keys because it is contrary to their having standards. To return to softcore porn I would be happy to allow myself to be photographed by Gaytimes because I think its a respectable publication, I know I would be well paid and looked after and because I know I wouldn't be presented in such a way that I would consider disrespectful. But there are certainly other mags where this is not the case. So I wouldn't pose for them. But the keys and locks model would suggest the more the better. Hence, that model is contrary to male self-respect i.e. having appropriate standards.
The self-respect would be violated if there are reasons why Jenna's sense of self-respect should entail that she not want to do softcore porn. Perhaps there are reasons she should subscribe to the keys and locks idea. Perhaps there are reasons why women should hide, not use or exhibit their sexuality that have nothing to do with what men out to do. Perhaps there are other reasons. But the onus would be on the person making the normative claim (i.e. you) to show why that it is the case.
Original post by ScottishShortiex
I didn't say that it's easy to be good-looking...of course it's not - you need to be very disciplined and strict with yourself. By all means flaunt your body...but you don't need to do it naked/half-naked. Why not model with swimswear or lingerie, then at least your covered and it looks less tacky.
I don't think you did say it but I think your argument implicitly worked on it. I'd also like to hear what you mean by tackiness, and why it's relevant? For example, is it better if a girl models for Agent Provocateur instead of, say, Ann Summers? But is Ann Summers better than FHM? Is FHM better than Nuts? I would find it odd if the moral rightness or wrongness of glamour modelling was relative to such things as the quality of the lingerie, the quality of the studio, the quality of the magazine etc.
Original post by ScottishShortiex
Personally I wouldn't do it, because I think it's really not very respectable, and I wish these girls would have much more respect for themselves and more ambitions, than to just pose half-naked, with there boobs out for everyone to see, purely just as an easy way to make money
It's not easy to be a glamour model because to be successful you need to have a good body - one people want to see naked. This means you need to be good looking, and you agreed with me when you said that that is hard work. Yet, if it is hard to be good looking, and to be a successful glamour model you need to be good looking, so glamour modelling must infact be hard work. But you claimed it was easy. I took you to ask on that claim and I don't see anything that undermines my interpretation of your first post.
Benjamin
It's their lives, their bodies and their choice.
Aslong as they are happy with their choice then let them get on with it...
Personally I have never done glamour nor do I plan to...
But if I had a friend who wanted to do it I sure wouldn't judge her for it.
Aslong as they are happy with their choice then let them get on with it...
Personally I have never done glamour nor do I plan to...
But if I had a friend who wanted to do it I sure wouldn't judge her for it.
Original post by ScottishShortiex
Your post is very formal
Anyway, to answer your question, you wouldn't damaged your self-respect (particularly because your a guy) but girls, I believe should have more respect for themselves, and personally i think glamour modelling is cheap and tacky. I didn't say that it's easy to be good-looking...of course it's not - you need to be very disciplined and strict with yourself. By all means flaunt your body...but you don't need to do it naked/half-naked. Why not model with swimswear or lingerie, then at least your covered and it looks less tacky.
Anyway, to answer your question, you wouldn't damaged your self-respect (particularly because your a guy) but girls, I believe should have more respect for themselves, and personally i think glamour modelling is cheap and tacky. I didn't say that it's easy to be good-looking...of course it's not - you need to be very disciplined and strict with yourself. By all means flaunt your body...but you don't need to do it naked/half-naked. Why not model with swimswear or lingerie, then at least your covered and it looks less tacky.
Double standards much?
Original post by theoneandonlybenja
I frequently write essays for schoolwork and often take part in school debates, but there's a reason I don't write every post as if it were a hybrid between a letter to a friend and a speech to be delivered at the Oxford Union: putting together posts in a forum in this bizarre way of yours just comes across as pretentious and, in this case, utterly humourless. It more than offsets any dubious advantage in terms of clarity which it might bring with it.
Original post by LC_x
Basically just want to know what other peoples thoughts are on this..
Girls, would you do it and what would your mum or dad say about it?
Guys, if your girlfriend decided to take it up would you be annoyed or anything? or let her do what she wants?
Sorry if this is in the wrong part
Girls, would you do it and what would your mum or dad say about it?
Guys, if your girlfriend decided to take it up would you be annoyed or anything? or let her do what she wants?
Sorry if this is in the wrong part
I think Danni_Bella on here did quite a bit of modelling for things like FHM.
I know it's not particularly fair, but as soon as I see a Page 3 model (or something of the like) I immediately think of her as a cheap whore and lose all respect for her. 
Original post by LeSacMagique
I frequently write essays for schoolwork and often take part in school debates, but there's a reason I don't write every post as if it were a hybrid between a letter to a friend and a speech to be delivered at the Oxford Union: putting together posts in a forum in this bizarre way of yours just comes across as pretentious and, in this case, utterly humourless. It more than offsets any dubious advantage in terms of clarity which it might bring with it.
It's not calculated. I don't try to come across as an essayist. This is just how I talk and write pretty much everywhere. I don't see what's so incredibly bizzare about it; I'm getting my point across and people understand what I'm saying - isn't that the point? It certainly isn't meant to be humourous.
Besides, what's this got to do with the things I'm arguing for?
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