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Berlusconi sentenced to a year in prison!

At last - the forces of law and order are closing in on this oily snake and close buddy of Tony Blair and the families of various former Labour politicians.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/silvio-berlusconi/9914962/Silvio-Berlusconi-sentenced-to-year-in-prison.html

The question now is - will he serve time?? And will Tone and one or two of his pals end up going the same way?

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Didn't he give himself amnesty of something ridiculous like that?

And what would Tony Blair be charged with? Invading Iraq was perfectly legal under British law.
Reply 2
Italian sentencing guidelines indicate that people aged over 75 and with sentences of less than two years do not have to actually go to prison. Mr Berlusconi is 76.

No, he will not be serving time.
Original post by pol pot noodles
Didn't he give himself amnesty of something ridiculous like that?

And what would Tony Blair be charged with? Invading Iraq was perfectly legal under British law.


I was thinking along the lines of 'cavorting in posh villas rented under dubious circumstances from a convicted Italian criminal'. Plus 'wearing a dangerously orange suntan in public interviews'.
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And yet, the Italians would still want him in their government. Only in Italy.
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Original post by Fullofsurprises
The question now is - will he serve time?

And will Tone and one or two of his pals end up going the same way?

Under Italian law he won't serve time, being sentenced actually means nothing as he is over the age limit so he cannot be jailed.

Don't know who Tone is but I doubt any of his friends will go to jail. It is easy to buy your way out just like Russia and Ukraine, especially Ukraine. They are all incredibly corrupt and rarely does anything actually get done, unless, like is happening right now to Berlusconi, certain judges have a vendetta against certain people.
Original post by 419
And yet, the Italians would still want him in their government. Only in Italy.


Presumably it's a split situation, as here - there seems to have been a huge protest vote in the latest election against him.
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Original post by Fullofsurprises
Presumably it's a split situation, as here - there seems to have been a huge protest vote in the latest election against him.

What do you mean against him? it was a protest vote against austerity and the German oppression led by Monti not Berlusconi! He went from having virtually no share of the vote to 29.1%, that is quite an achievement. You have followed the election right or did you jump on an anti-Berlusconi band wagon?
Original post by tehFrance
What do you mean against him? it was a protest vote against austerity and the German oppression led by Monti not Berlusconi! He went from having virtually no share of the vote to 29.1%, that is quite an achievement. You have followed the election right or did you jump on an anti-Berlusconi band wagon?


I haven't jumped on anything, I haven't been following this latest election in any detail, but I do know enough about Silvio in the past to take a minute to celebrate him being given a prison sentence, even if he won't serve it.

Berlusconi got, what, 46% in the 2008 election? Hardly a ringing endorsement of his coalition that his vote slumped to 29% is it. Why are you saying that the protests weren't against him? Are you in love with Berlusconi for some reason, you seem to be busy trying to defend him?
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I quite like Berlusconi. Certainly a far more interesting, lively and daring politician than the grey haired, bland bunch that we have over here.
Original post by Fullofsurprises
I haven't jumped on anything, I haven't been following this latest election in any detail, but I do know enough about Silvio in the past to take a minute to celebrate him being given a prison sentence, even if he won't serve it.

Berlusconi got, what, 46% in the 2008 election? Hardly a ringing endorsement of his coalition that his vote slumped to 29% is it. Why are you saying that the protests weren't against him? Are you in love with Berlusconi for some reason, you seem to be busy trying to defend him?

You clearly have as you seem to lack the basics of what happened this election and it doesn't have anything to do with disliking Berlusconi for whatever it is he has allegedly done.

Rarely do people get an outright majority in Italy, in-fact in the last 20 years the average election percentage for a win is around the 45% mark. I am saying the protests were not against him because they were not, if you followed the damn election you'd understand that this was a vote against austerity not against Berlusconi or anyone else. Yes I love the old man, nothing better than his schmeckle in my mouth :rolleyes:
Reply 11
Berlusconi sentenced? Instantly a thread about Blair somehow.

I don't know what it is, but I somehow am getting a feeling that OP has some kind of hidden agenda.
Reply 12
Original post by tehFrance
What do you mean against him? it was a protest vote against austerity and the German oppression led by Monti not Berlusconi! He went from having virtually no share of the vote to 29.1%, that is quite an achievement. You have followed the election right or did you jump on an anti-Berlusconi band wagon?


Oh hello, I'm Italian and two weeks ago I voted (for SEL, the socialist party, 3,5%). I'd like to say a few things on what's going on around here: first, it is true that Berlusconi was sentenced, but he will not go to prison because he's over 65, therefore he will probably get away with a fine (not that money is such a problem for him), then, on our elections results, Berlusconi scored the 29% because damn old people and all those who believe his populist promises keep voting for him (after 20 years they still don't get he never practices what he preaches!) and there is no way to get rid of him except someone kills him, or he dies, or all the people who vote for him die. Ironically, even his electors at the time of polls were ashamed to admit they wanted to vote for him since he was predicted around 16%. Furthermore, the democratic party is far too weak and moderate, this is why they did not win, Monti was too moderate-catholic and unpopular since he only thought of taxes and austerity….and so Grillo, the populist-comedian without ideology, won.

I'm quite ashamed of my country right now
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Original post by navarre
I quite like Berlusconi. Certainly a far more interesting, lively and daring politician than the grey haired, bland bunch that we have over here.


Oh well we could exchange them if you wish
Original post by SerenaRoe
Oh hello, I'm Italian and two weeks ago I voted (for SEL, the socialist party, 3,5%). I'd like to say a few things on what's going on around here: first, it is true that Berlusconi was sentenced, but he will not go to prison because he's over 65, therefore he will probably get away with a fine (not that money is such a problem for him), then, on our elections results, Berlusconi scored the 29% because damn old people and all those who believe his populist promises keep voting for him (after 20 years they still don't get he never practices what he preaches!) and there is no way to get rid of him except someone kills him, or he dies, or all the people who vote for him die. Ironically, even his electors at the time of polls were ashamed to admit they wanted to vote for him since he was predicted around 16%. Furthermore, the democratic party is far too weak and moderate, this is why they did not win, Monti was too moderate-catholic and unpopular since he only thought of taxes and austerity….and so Grillo, the populist-comedian without ideology, won.

I'm quite ashamed of my country right now

You vote for the Socialists, dislike Berlusconi and blame the old for voting him while touting that many were ashamed to admit they voted for him despite a fair few on the news (at least on Sky TG24 which I believe is pretty anti-Berlusconi) people openly stated they voted for him and that they did not mind his antics?

Yeah your post does not reek of bias :rolleyes:
Original post by Bobifier
Berlusconi sentenced? Instantly a thread about Blair somehow.

I don't know what it is, but I somehow am getting a feeling that OP has some kind of hidden agenda.


An agenda? Please! Perish the thought.

Actually Blair just came into my mind when I started typing, I thought "Berlusconi - what a crook - and who was most closely associated with being a big pal of this crook in Europe generally?"
Original post by SerenaRoe
Oh hello, I'm Italian and two weeks ago I voted (for SEL, the socialist party, 3,5%). I'd like to say a few things on what's going on around here: first, it is true that Berlusconi was sentenced, but he will not go to prison because he's over 65, therefore he will probably get away with a fine (not that money is such a problem for him), then, on our elections results, Berlusconi scored the 29% because damn old people and all those who believe his populist promises keep voting for him (after 20 years they still don't get he never practices what he preaches!) and there is no way to get rid of him except someone kills him, or he dies, or all the people who vote for him die. Ironically, even his electors at the time of polls were ashamed to admit they wanted to vote for him since he was predicted around 16%. Furthermore, the democratic party is far too weak and moderate, this is why they did not win, Monti was too moderate-catholic and unpopular since he only thought of taxes and austerity….and so Grillo, the populist-comedian without ideology, won.

I'm quite ashamed of my country right now


That's really interesting, thanks! It's useful to know more about why Berlusconi can still muster a personal vote of almost a third of the voters, given the way things look in relation to all the accusations against him, although of course he always claims they are politically motivated.

It's good news really that Grillo's campaign has reduced the Berlusconi coalition vote down by such a large amount, just a shame it wasn't more. Quite an achievement though for the non-ideological new internet campaign.

Do you think that the current allegations against particular members of Five Star for things like fascism will start to diminish the appeal of his movement?
Original post by tehFrance
You clearly have as you seem to lack the basics of what happened this election and it doesn't have anything to do with disliking Berlusconi for whatever it is he has allegedly done.

Rarely do people get an outright majority in Italy, in-fact in the last 20 years the average election percentage for a win is around the 45% mark. I am saying the protests were not against him because they were not, if you followed the damn election you'd understand that this was a vote against austerity not against Berlusconi or anyone else. Yes I love the old man, nothing better than his schmeckle in my mouth :rolleyes:


It's really nice that you love him, are you a regular at any of his Bunga-Bungas?
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Original post by Fullofsurprises
Presumably it's a split situation, as here - there seems to have been a huge protest vote in the latest election against him.


Basically what tehFrance and SeranaRoe are saying
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Original post by 419
Basically what tehFrance is saying


No, he was saying that Berlusconi was doing hugely well to get a collapsed vote from 46% down to 29% and that the Five Star protests were nothing to do with Silvio.

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