Two hour execution in USA

I am sorry to interrupt your debate but you can't simply 'abolish' death sentence because it is "inhumane" and "ohh poor criminal"

a country where penalties for crimes are low will have its crime rate skyrocket. Same thing happens when the State tries to minimize the possibility of one to defend himself (gun control policies, for instance).

The American ""liberals""** need to look at other countries as examples as to how most (however, not all) left-wing policies simply don't work ***.

It's quite disgraceful, and only highlights the fact that the death penalty needs to be outright abolished. It's a barbaric, primitive practice which we should have got past by now.



Yes, one can abolish the death penalty because it is immoral. Whether or not the actual death is painful, there still remains the issue of the mental distress and torture that the criminals go through - the firm knowledge that they are going to die, no matter what, and that there's no way out.




Both assertions are untrue. The murder rate in American states without the death penalty is lower than the rate in those with the death penalty. Perhaps the more civilised states just happen not to have the death penalty, but there are plenty of potential criminals in every state, and if the rate is meant to skyrocket, as you claim, that's not what has happened at all. In terms of countries, there's no statistically significant relationship between the death penalty and the crime rate.

Furthermore, there's no correlation between crime rate and gun control policies. It is the case, however, that countries with stricter gun control laws and policies have a lower gun crime rate.




As seen above, they probably have looked at other countries and statistics from other countries support both gun control and the abolition of the death penalty.

"It is the case, however, that countries with stricter gun control laws and policies have a lower gun crime rate"

Which is why Switzerland is the gun crime capital of Europe and in Mexico gun crime is negligible... Or was that the other way around (bar different continents)

Blame all those do-gooder anti death penalty people for this. A bullet to the head would be instant, but no they rather disallow such methods and force more "humane" methods such as lethal injections that have a higher chance of going wrong. Making those drugs difficult to get hold of makes the situation worse.

I can see where you're coming from but I absolutely disagree with you. Deterrent and safety are important but they are not what's at the core of justice. Justice is about punishing wrongdoing not out of some bloodlust for revenge but because punishment is the right result of wrongdoing. To deny punishment is to deny justice and while I can see why it might seem cruel to punish it's much more wrong not to

What is gained by pyunishing people? Is in, how does it make the rest of society better?

It provides society with a fair framework. It isn't fair that I should be treat the same way as a mass murderer. The murderer deserves negative consequences for his actions.

I don't see how you can have anything close to a fair or workable moral worldview if you think that evil deeds should go unpunished.

But they aren't going unpunished, they are still going to prison.

And fairness isn't a gain for society anyway. It would be completely fair if we killed every single human on the planet, because we would all be equally dead.

You conflate fair with equal treatment. Fairness had everything to do with people being treated how they deserve to be, and an innocent man deserves to be treated better than a serial killer it's not simply about applying the same thing (whatever it may be) to everyone

Even by that definition, I don't see how fairness is necessarily a good thing.

It's intrinsically good. People's actions being met with the right reward for them.

I'm guessing you'd admit that good actions are deserving of good results. You save someone's life they (at the very least) thank you for it.

Well it's exactly the same with bad actions.

Even if this was a "more humane method" I agree with it because these people who took the life of an innocent person should be granted with a slow and painful death, not a quick bullet to put them out of their misery.

The reaction in here proves exactly why the death penalty should be abolished on all forms - people are too emotional and get wound up by emotions too easily. The justice system should be entirely logical and emotions shouldn't play a part.

Most of the people for death penalty always have arguments which appeal to emotions as opposed to logic.

I know it has its moral and ethical flaws because its justified murder but due to it being a popular "entertainment event" in that past it has grown to become a "good way" to deal with murderers. However isn't a life imprisonment a little lenient considering the prisoner kills themselves a lot of the time anyway.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose...

Oh and might I add that I wasn't saying the death penalty was good in the post you originally quoted; I was saying that if a country is going to do it they might as well do it in a way that will make them suffer...