Sharp rise in halal abattoirs slaughtering animals without stunning them first.

agreed. halal tho has become the accepted term for permissable meat - referring to its slaughter ( zabihah) my point was there is no quranic restriction on useing antibiotics etc, only how you slit its throat etc. the other debates are i suppose some muslims trying to push an animal welfare angle - but then its impossible to argue the way say tribal arabs kill goats in the desert is the most humane way possible

Hi,

I was vegetarian too for a while. So I deeply respect your ideals.

Yes, I understand your point, and I assure you I'm very well versed with what halal means. What I'm trying to accentuate is that the method of halal slaughter isn't barbaric. It's an incredibly humane process and I think if a chicken was given a choice between death by a halal butcher or a lioness, it'd be a pretty easy decision to make :P

Hi,

Indeed it's incredibly humane, especially when contrasted to how the animal might die in the wild (slow suffocation by a cobra, ripped apart by a canidae or by the excruciating poison at the hand of a scorpion etc.- take your pick.) It's tough, life in the wild isn't easy.

As a dentistry student, I spend a lot of my time dissecting cadavers (humans), you'd be surprised at how fragile the neck is. A properly performed halal slaughter would be swift and provide instantaneous death.

At the end of the day you'll all pop down to your nearest muslim asian take away and probably order something with meat in it. Pointless complaining my dayss

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937206/Halal-abattoir-staff-hacked-taunted-sheep-One-worker-sacked-three-suspended-caught-camera-carrying-horrifying-routine-abuse.html

'A worker at a halal abattoir has been sacked and three others suspended after being filmed breaking strict rules on slaughtering sheep.

The men could face prosecution for the ‘horrifying yet routine abuse’ captured by animal rights campaigners using hidden cameras.

Slaughtermen at the Bowood Lamb abattoir in Thirsk, North Yorkshire, are seen ‘hacking and sawing’ at animals’ throats in apparent contravention of Islamic practice.'

So much for Halal

OK here's something

I would be willing to accept halal and Kosher are OK if the research was finally able to prove it was just as good as pre stunning and people like the RSPCA and veterinary and farming groups etc.. lifted their objections.

Would muslims and Jews be able to say the same should Halal and Kosher be proved to be worse than pre stunning and accept that is should be removed from it's current exemption for the ethical treatment of animals and agree all animals should be pre stunned?

IM GLAD THESE MEN ARE SACKED THAT IS PURE EVIL!!

BUT lets make sure we are aware that HALAL and whatever these psychos are doing ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE! In Islam, Halal meat has set criteria as we know to minimise all pain by:
-using a sharp blade so you dont need to 'hack thro'
-not showing the animal their friends dying
-not showing the animal the blade
-cut directly the main vein to quicken the death procedure and purify the animal by removing blood (stunning animal leaves blood in animal which causes many health problems)
-treating the animal well, with food, shelter, warmth etc during its life


I AGREE THAT MUCH OF THE MEAT CLAIMING TO BE HALAL IS NOT ACTUALLY SO I ADVISE CO-OPERATIONS TO BE MORE STRICT IN THEIR ASSESSMENT OF SLAUGHTERHOUSES.

NEVERTHELESS DON'T LISTEN TO THE DAILY FAIL AS THEY TWIST AND LIE EVERY DAY!

I'm afraid not,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2937206/Halal-abattoir-staff-hacked-taunted-sheep-One-worker-sacked-three-suspended-caught-camera-carrying-horrifying-routine-abuse.html

'A worker at a halal abattoir has been sacked and three others suspended after being filmed breaking strict rules on slaughtering sheep.

The men could face prosecution for the ‘horrifying yet routine abuse’ captured by animal rights campaigners using hidden cameras.

Slaughtermen at the Bowood Lamb abattoir in Thirsk, North Yorkshire, are seen ‘hacking and sawing’ at animals’ throats in apparent contravention of Islamic practice.'

So much for Halal

Following the logic of many in this thread, this is absolutely fine because worse stuff happens in the meat industry. I'm guessing these people will be pretty quiet on this issue.

Yet we are the closed minded ones

At least I can change my opinion on this given the FACTS

A bit shouty

But the fact is muslims and Jews are exempted from the laws on ethical treatment of animals this exemption need to be removed.

But google EID slaughter to see how halal is really done

Just don't do it on a full stomach

Oh and it's being reported in the telegraph, the Guardian and the BBC so daily fail argument wont wash

I am open to all discussion, but to change my mind on this matter you will have to change my religion as I follow God's laws not man-made laws, ygm.