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A conservative who can bend his political beliefs to please the masses and feels that civil wars should be solved by the participating countries and not outside intervention

:smile:

Ayyyy.

Reply 61

pugsofwesteros

Socialist Pro-Government Multilateralist Bleeding-Heart Progressive
That's a long title damn

Reply 62

rogueone

Socialist Pro-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Progressive

Reply 63

CatusStarbright

You are a: Right-Leaning Pro-Government Non-Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Liberal
Collectivism score: -33%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: -17%
Tribalism score: -83%
Liberalism score: 17%

Reply 64

dairychocolate

Doesn't sound particularly pragmatic.

Reply 65

username1539513

Original post by dairychocolate

Doesn't sound particularly pragmatic.

I don't think this quiz was an accurate representation of my political views tbh, I identify more as centre-right politically and I despise communism

Reply 66

TheIr0nDuke

As expected.

Collectivism score: -50%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: -83%
Tribalism score: 67%
Liberalism score: -100%

Reply 67

dairychocolate

Yeah. I tend to place somehwere near 'centre' on aggregate. Basically, I'd say I want a unified national culture which assimilates the best parts of each community's culture and prevents segregation, no sexism/racism or any of that bs, fair distribution of wealth but opportunity to excel financially off the back of intellect/creativity/work ethic, selective and constructive immigration policy, progressive (but not far left) social policy focused on making society more egalitarian and only moderate government interference in daily life/business/social issues where it is necessary.

Pretty bog standard and not what I'd generally call Socialist Humanist or whatever it was.

Original post by Foo.mp3

Left-Leaning Anti-Government Interventionist Nationalist Fundamentalist. Quite an accurate characterisation! :mmm:

Collectivism score: 33% (Commie *******)Authoritarianism score: -33% (Problem with authority)Internationalism score: 33% (Closet Internationalist)Tribalism score: 33% (Keep it primitive: always stay loyal to your background/people)Liberalism score: -100% (Liberals just need time to grow up. Moral relativism is a thing, but has its limits, let's be real)

I agree that liberalism has its flaws but there are times where liberal stances are appropriate and positively transformative.

Also, 'your background/people' is tricky to define. Where do you draw the line and why there specifically?

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Reply 68

Hanaan999

This test is quite accurate!!!

It said I'm 100% a beast

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Reply 69

username1539513

Original post by dairychocolate

Yeah. I tend to place somehwere near 'centre' on aggregate. Basically, I'd say I want a unified national culture which assimilates the best parts of each community's culture and prevents segregation, no sexism/racism or any of that bs, fair distribution of wealth but opportunity to excel financially off the back of intellect/creativity/work ethic, selective and constructive immigration policy, progressive (but not far left) social policy and only moderate government interference in daily life/business/social issues where it is necessary.

Pretty bog standard and not what I'd generally call Socialist Humanist or whatever it was.

The problem with political views is that one person can think that something is left and another will think it's right so everything is totally subjective and there isn't a lot of room for cut-and-dried definitions. So whilst I'm mostly socially conservative I'm also more left wing economically (not communist) but I also support the legalisation of marijuana which a lot of conservatives balk at so what the heck am I lmao?

Reply 70

G.name

Socialist Interventionist Humanist Liberal
Collectivism score:67%
Authoritarianism score:0%
Internationalism score: 33%
Tribalism score: -67%
Liberalism score: 33%

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Reply 71

pascalscasino

Communist Anti-Government Multilateralist Bleeding-Heart Libertine

Collectivism: 83%
Authoritarianism: -17%
Internationalism: 50%
Tribalism: -83%
Liberalism: 83%

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Reply 72

MrSplash

Conservative Libertarian Isolationist Nationalist Progressive

Collectivism score: -50%
Authoritarianism score: -67%
Internationalism score: -50%
Tribalism score: 33%
Liberalism score: 67%

Reply 73

username1214455

Socialist Anti-Government Interventionist Cosmopolitan Libertine

Yeah, accurate.

Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: -17%
Internationalism score: 33%
Tribalism score: -33%
Liberalism score: 83%

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Reply 74

Nadiiiaax

Socialist Pro-Government World-Federalist Cosmopolitan Progressive

Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: 17%
Internationalism score: 100%
Tribalism score: -33%
Liberalism score: 50%

Reply 75

dairychocolate

Yeah, it's subjective but I think it's possible to place people on a spectrum relative to the political views of their countrymen.

Original post by Foo.mp3

Naturally, but inherent in contemporary manifestations of liberalism is the concept of loosening things up and maintaining ceaseless 'progressive' movement, almost whatever happens (intergenerationally) as a consequence, rather than trialling things, measuring/judging/perceiving effects, and tailoring/reforming policy accordingly

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you've written in the above quote seems to imply that you're more opposed to the pace, method of implementation and degree of certain changes rather than the ideology of liberalism itself.

Faith schools are but one, classic, example of the liberal egalitarian agenda pushing on without first stopping to question e.g. is this conducive to the common good, in the public interest, or at least socially sustainable?

Which specific issue regarding faith schools are you referring to here?

As far as egalitarianism is concerned, are you opposed to the concept itself? I personally hold the view that some people are more gifted than others but, where possible, everyone should get the same opportunities to succeed.

If you could save one member from relevant groups from catastrpohe which would you pick to save, in what order e.g. myself:Immediate family > wider family > friends > neighbours > indigenous inhabitants of the same: settlement > county > region > nation > continent > civilisation > foreigners

I'm not sure that that is a great example when it comes to unwavering loyalty to a specific group of people, which is what I understand this:

Keep it primitive:

always stay loyal to your background/people)

to mean. Selecting one person from each category also prevents you from accounting for scale (eg. 1 man from your city vs 100 from your country), something which is imperative when discussing unwavering loyalty.

A better example is: if your relatively poor brother (top of your tribal priorities-maximum loyalty) stood to make large financial gain by inflicting poverty and starvation on a 10 million-strong country of otherwise healthy foreigners (bottom of your tribal priorities-minimum loyalty) and you had to either stop or aid him, what would you do?

On the other hand, if you miscommunicated originally and meant something along the lines of 'all other things being equal, I prioritise the welfare of my kin>friends>etc. over strangers', then, as a general rule, I'd agree; it's simple biological programming and I suspect that the vast, vast majority of people would feel the same.

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Reply 76

snoamdaila

Centrist Pro-Government Interventionist Cosmopolitan Traditionalist

Collectivism score: 0%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: 17%
Tribalism score: -17%
Liberalism score: -33%

Reply 77

username2834970

Communist Multilateralist Bleeding-Heart Libertine

Collectivism score: 100%
Authoritarianism score: 0%
Internationalism score: 67%
Tribalism score: -100%
Liberalism score: 83%

I love that -100% Tribalism score.
And 0% Authoritarian. Amazing.

Reply 78

hellomynameisr

Socialist Pro-Government Interventionist Bleeding-Heart Liberal

Collectivism score: 67%
Authoritarianism score: 33%
Internationalism score: 33%
Tribalism score: -100%
Liberalism score: 17%

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Reply 79

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by Vividly clear

They both have similarities but they are still greatly different philosophies.

No they are not. In a Venn diagram they can both overlap. If they were so different that would not be possible. There is nothing inherently contradictory between the workers owning the means of production and maximising autonomy, political freedom and voluntary association. On the blurb of Das Capital you find the Marx quote "Let us finally imagine, for a change, an association of free men, working with the means of production held in common" . That is libertarian.

You can not place libertarian and authoritarianism together. You are most likely mixing up two types of socialism and libertatinism as being the only types. Authoritarian top down socialism and the libertarianism we see in the US and to an extent the UK that is basically capitalist market fundamentalism. Those things are very different. But then a libertarian socialist ideology is very different to both those things that share the same terminology.

There are political philosophies that adhere to both libertarian and socialist values. I just showed you are massive wiki of them. You get socialists who think you can only get to socialism down a libertarian route. Anarchism is just that.