The faux outrage at Trumps condemnation of Charlottesville
It is disgraceful that so many people are expressing faux outrage at Trump first condemning the violence and actions at Charlottesville, then condemning both sides, then condemning by name the KKK, white supremacists, white nationalists.
One reason for faux outrage is that large numbers of people these days just see transactions. They have no morality or individual thought. They take whatever the media (fake news) says as their morality and beliefs.
What is worrying about this is that this represents a double standard and moral outrage. The Communists in Russia killed a 100 million people, even more than the Nazis.
In America the left wing Nazis are creating havoc, even tearing down national monuments with their agenda to erase history.
It is scandalous that our political class in their quest to promote PC ideas don't want to condemn the far-left. This is to the delight of far-left nutcases would wouldn't think twice about expressing their views as violence and will hide behind their with their efforts to tear down western culture, the state and freedom.
One reason for faux outrage is that large numbers of people these days just see transactions. They have no morality or individual thought. They take whatever the media (fake news) says as their morality and beliefs.
What is worrying about this is that this represents a double standard and moral outrage. The Communists in Russia killed a 100 million people, even more than the Nazis.
In America the left wing Nazis are creating havoc, even tearing down national monuments with their agenda to erase history.
It is scandalous that our political class in their quest to promote PC ideas don't want to condemn the far-left. This is to the delight of far-left nutcases would wouldn't think twice about expressing their views as violence and will hide behind their with their efforts to tear down western culture, the state and freedom.
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People would have left it alone by now if he had stopped at condemning the Nazis and the KKK, and didn't go back on the progress he had made with that loony press conference. I'm sorry if criticism of Trump for enabling and empowering Nazis offends you.
Original post by Eunomia
People would have left it alone by now if he had stopped at condemning the Nazis and the KKK, and didn't go back on the progress he had made with that loony press conference. I'm sorry if criticism of Trump for enabling and empowering Nazis offends you.
Sorry why is it loony to condemn violent left wing groups.
The Unite The Right have a right to express themselves under the First Amendment. They were defended by the ACLU to have that right that they had a court issued permit to protest.
Why on earth should we defend violent left wing thugs who wanted to stop them protesting?
If someone doesn't like something that is fair enough but the law is the law. They were legally authorised.
Why do left wing thugs get to take the law into their own hands?
Original post by Eunomia
People would have left it alone by now if he had stopped at condemning the Nazis and the KKK, and didn't go back on the progress he had made with that loony press conference. I'm sorry if criticism of Trump for enabling and empowering Nazis offends you.
On what planet does condemning BOTH the white supremacists, Nazis etc. and the anti-fa demonstrators amount to enabling and empowering Nazis
It's disgusting. Trump could discover the cure for cancer and the scum on the left would still find something to moan about.
Original post by Factual
In America the left wing Nazis are creating havoc, even tearing down national monuments with their agenda to erase history.
Tearing down a monument is not the same thing as erasing history. Erasing history would be to say that these events never happened, or to alter history to paint a different picture.
How are the left wing of America Nazis? They aren't the ones holding up Nazi flags and doing Nazi salutes.
Edit: Also, come to think of it, this is a thread written by someone who is probably British on the British politics forum about the politics of another country involving a monument in some small town that you probably never even heard of prior to any of this happening. This is literally faux outrage about faux outrage.
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Original post by SHallowvale
Tearing down a monument is not the same thing as erasing history. Erasing history would be to say that these events never happened, or to alter history to paint a different picture.
How are the left wing of America Nazis? They aren't the ones holding up Nazi flags and doing Nazi salutes.
How are the left wing of America Nazis? They aren't the ones holding up Nazi flags and doing Nazi salutes.
The "Antifa" act more like Fascists than a good majority of the Nazis and people dont seem to care since with a name like ANTIFA they obviously are the good guys since they are against the Nazis.
The ANTIFA
-Phsyically stop or try to stop certain people they disagree with from speaking in public places.
-When things do not go their way instead of keeping on peactully protesting they sometimes riot and cause a lot of property damage.
-They are ok with attacking "Nazis" (In this case "Nazi" is referring to anyone they disagree with on the right, they would probably brand me as a "Nazi" to justify violence"
-Spew a violent and toxic ideology.
In all honesty if someone said there was a ANTIFA rally in my town I would be more worried than if someone said there was a Nazi rally in my town, Just look at the damage recently in Germany.
Original post by SHallowvale
Tearing down a monument is not the same thing as erasing history. Erasing history would be to say that these events never happened, or to alter history to paint a different picture.
How are the left wing of America Nazis? They aren't the ones holding up Nazi flags and doing Nazi salutes.
Edit: Also, come to think of it, this is a thread written by someone who is probably British on the British politics forum about the politics of another country involving a monument in some small town that you probably never even heard of prior to any of this happening. This is literally faux outrage about faux outrage.
How are the left wing of America Nazis? They aren't the ones holding up Nazi flags and doing Nazi salutes.
Edit: Also, come to think of it, this is a thread written by someone who is probably British on the British politics forum about the politics of another country involving a monument in some small town that you probably never even heard of prior to any of this happening. This is literally faux outrage about faux outrage.
BLM and Antifa (especially Antifa) are openly violent and aggressive in the face of groups that disagree with them - as are neo-Nazis and the KKK. I would defend ANYONE who expresses an opinion peacefully and non-violently over those who use violence. Both sides were violent at Charlottesville and Trump rightfully condemned both sides.
Original post by AperfectBalance
The "Antifa" act more like Fascists than a good majority of the Nazis and people dont seem to care since with a name like ANTIFA they obviously are the good guys since they are against the Nazis.
The ANTIFA
-Phsyically stop or try to stop certain people they disagree with from speaking in public places.
-When things do not go their way instead of keeping on peactully protesting they sometimes riot and cause a lot of property damage.
-They are ok with attacking "Nazis" (In this case "Nazi" is referring to anyone they disagree with on the right, they would probably brand me as a "Nazi" to justify violence"
-Spew a violent and toxic ideology.
In all honesty if someone said there was a ANTIFA rally in my town I would be more worried than if someone said there was a Nazi rally in my town, Just look at the damage recently in Germany.
The ANTIFA
-Phsyically stop or try to stop certain people they disagree with from speaking in public places.
-When things do not go their way instead of keeping on peactully protesting they sometimes riot and cause a lot of property damage.
-They are ok with attacking "Nazis" (In this case "Nazi" is referring to anyone they disagree with on the right, they would probably brand me as a "Nazi" to justify violence"
-Spew a violent and toxic ideology.
In all honesty if someone said there was a ANTIFA rally in my town I would be more worried than if someone said there was a Nazi rally in my town, Just look at the damage recently in Germany.
Original post by Jay.revell1998
BLM and Antifa (especially Antifa) are openly violent and aggressive in the face of groups that disagree with them - as are neo-Nazis and the KKK. I would defend ANYONE who expresses an opinion peacefully and non-violently over those who use violence. Both sides were violent at Charlottesville and Trump rightfully condemned both sides.
Ok...?
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
Original post by SHallowvale
Ok...?
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
ANTIFA and BLM are a part of the left wing, they are both radicals, same with the Nazis, they are a part of the right wing, they are the radical part.
But you are totally correct neither side represent the whole of either wing and I hope collectively that both sides and condemn the extremists on either side
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Original post by Factual
It is scandalous that our political class in their quest to promote PC ideas don't want to condemn the far-left. This is to the delight of far-left nutcases would wouldn't think twice about expressing their views as violence and will hide behind their with their efforts to tear down western culture, the state and freedom.
Absolutely, in this country we have Momentum working day and night to subvert the democratic regime and turn the land into the totalitarian shithole they always dreamed of. It would be quicker to get Trump to condemn that than May.
Original post by SHallowvale
Ok...?
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
The whole left wing seem to be standing by Antifa because it represents their spiritual (or lack of spiritual) position, see google for a photo of Antifa flag officially raised at Hennepin Government Centre.
The left is dominated by cultural Marxist rhetoric to the point that it will condone left wing violence and condem peaceful right wingers who are trying to protect freedom of speech.
Original post by SHallowvale
Ok...?
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
ANTIFA and BLM are not "the left wing", and do not represent the left wing of the US, nor do the neo-Nazi protestors represent the right wing.
Antifa are not left wing- now you either being dumb or you're on the left and simply do not want to resonate with them.
Apparently if you believe in limiting immigration your a Nazi, God forbid you say something good about Donald Trump-again you're a Nazi. They are even worse here In the UK, there is a video on YouTube where someone is holding a sign stating the right to freely discuss ideas should be defended-what a fascist that man was.Antifa may not represent the whole of the left wing but it does with a good proportion, washed up uneducated fools who blame rich white people for all there problems.
The lefts favourite term to describe anyone who is right wing on social issues is Nazi, the term is becoming overused, losing the influence it once had to control the narrative on the right the far left like antifa have used that word for many years against people who they do not agree with.
Moving on to actual Nazism, one thing antifa hate is if you call Nazi's socialists as per there name-even though no one probably agrees with the sentiment it is funny watching them go into overdrive. Antifa use nazi tactics to kill all opposition to there platform if you show you're a right winger ie wearing the MAGA top in America Antifa will beat you up. Despite them liking the nazi to throw at the right they follow some nazi principles
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Original post by Factual
It is disgraceful that so many people are expressing faux outrage at Trump first condemning the violence and actions at Charlottesville, then condemning both sides, then condemning by name the KKK, white supremacists, white nationalists.
For a bit of context, what would you say, if in a speech about the latest terror attack in Barcelona, Theresa May condemned violence on both sides, eluding to Mosque attacks and the West's recents campaigns in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya?
Original post by Dot.Cotton
It's disgusting. Trump could discover the cure for cancer and the scum on the left would still find something to moan about.
What is discusting? You appear to be in favour of groups that believe whites are superior, that blacks should be enslaved and work for the white man. You appear to support the ideology of an organisation that killed millions of people purely because they thought or looked different. If you want to live in that world, move to Saudi Arabia.
A lot of flack is being aimed at the anti-hate groups but let us not forget that if neo-Nazis, white supremacists and fascists didn't exist those opposing them would not be required. The former definitely came first.
Why is everyone so hateful? Have you not got better things to do than hate people you don't even know?
Original post by ByEeek
For a bit of context, what would you say, if in a speech about the latest terror attack in Barcelona, Theresa May condemned violence on both sides, eluding to Mosque attacks and the West's recents campaigns in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya?
I would still regard terrorism as after the fact and possibly in response to something which you can't necessarily pin down to specific wars. They may be related or may not be. This is not the same as direct confrontation in the streets from two opposing radical political groups.
Original post by ByEeek
What is discusting? You appear to be in favour of groups that believe whites are superior, that blacks should be enslaved and work for the white man. You appear to support the ideology of an organisation that killed millions of people purely because they thought or looked different. If you want to live in that world, move to Saudi Arabia.
A lot of flack is being aimed at the anti-hate groups but let us not forget that if neo-Nazis, white supremacists and fascists didn't exist those opposing them would not be required. The former definitely came first.
Why is everyone so hateful? Have you not got better things to do than hate people you don't even know?
A lot of flack is being aimed at the anti-hate groups but let us not forget that if neo-Nazis, white supremacists and fascists didn't exist those opposing them would not be required. The former definitely came first.
Why is everyone so hateful? Have you not got better things to do than hate people you don't even know?
There is no credible Nazi threat in the US but there is a credible leftist threat. This credible leftist these have been harnessed as useful idiots by large centrist political blocks that simply want to use all of this as a screen to hide their activities, see video below. Please watch from 2m 45s.
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