Ballon D’Or 2018

Salah did the square root of nothing this world cup. Ronaldo has 4 world cup goals, he actually delivered despite getting knocked out, Messi also did the square root of nothing.

Honestly there is only one winner. You gonna get a guy who led his team to get beat in another final, a guy who got knocked out by Roma or a guy who got 3CLs in a row.

Will put my bet on Ronaldo now. Easy money to be won.

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Messi got a couple of assists yesterday, scored one of the best goals in the competition and generally played OK. Created quite a lot overall.

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Marshmello's Dad

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It'll still be Ronaldo, even more after this world cup than it was before.

If not him, it'll have to be someone from the World Cup winning team. But, a player who can take a good amount of credit for getting his side to win it.

For eg. If Belgium win it, there's no individual performer who's been better than his teammates to have a chance whereas if England win, Harry Kane would have a good shout if he scores 7-8 of all England's goals.

So no one from teams like Uruguay, Brazil, Belgium, Spain will win it since each player on those teams is as important as the next. Though, Griezmann has a chance if France win, he also won the Europa League but his performances are being matched by Mbappe.

If Croatia wins then Modric has a good chance, winning the champions league, always being called the best midfielders in the past 3-4 seasons, as well picking up 3/3 motm for Croatia too I think.

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If France won the world cup would say that a lot of performances are equal there and Europa league<CL and wouldn't be factored in.

No way would France have beaten Argentina had Kante not shut down Messi for pretty much the entire game e.g. Pogba also had a key part to play as well.

Griezmann's only chance to get above Messi+Ronaldo is to get like 20 goals between August and November, while Mbappe due to his role in the PSG team simply isn't going to get those numbers yet.

Original post by Wilfred Little

Messi got a couple of assists yesterday, scored one of the best goals in the competition and generally played OK. Created quite a lot overall.

In terms of stats yeah it's not as bad as it seems but in terms of overall performance it wasn't particularly good. It smelt of Rooney 2014 personally. Depending so much and trying to fit one player in the team it made the performance awful.

Still not anywhere near as good as getting a hattrick vs Spain.

(edited 5 years ago)

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Hazard28

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If Ronaldo gets this ballon d'or, does he become the GOAT?

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Original post by Hazard28

If Ronaldo gets this ballon d'or, does he become the GOAT?

No.

ronaldo or salah

Original post by Wilfred Little

No.

How come? There needs to be some objective way of determining the GOAT, and looking at who has been the best player of the year more times than anyone else is a pretty good way, no?

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Original post by Hazard28

How come? There needs to be some objective way of determining the GOAT, and looking at who has been the best player of the year more times than anyone else is a pretty good way, no?

The Ballon d'Or isn't objective though.

Goals, assists or strike rate would be but even then there are things to consider.

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Hazard28

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Original post by Wilfred Little

The Ballon d'Or isn't objective though.

Goals, assists or strike rate would be but even then there are things to consider.

I suppose not but what else can we go on? Unless we did a poll voted by everyone in the world it's otherwise impossible.

I think it's hard to look past Ronaldo once he edges Messi in Ballon D'ors and with his international record.

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Marshmello's Dad

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Original post by Hazard28

I suppose not but what else can we go on? Unless we did a poll voted by everyone in the world it's otherwise impossible.

I think it's hard to look past Ronaldo once he edges Messi in Ballon D'ors and with his international record.

It's still debatable at 6-5 but I see Ronaldo winning another 2 or 3 ballon dors at the rate he's going whereas with Messi, I think it's all downhill from here..Yeah he'll still be up there in the top 5 players in the world but not what he used to be. In the end I think it'll either be 6-5 and neither of them ever win it again or it'll be 8-5 in the end to Ronaldo which will leave no debate

C. Ronaldo

Original post by Hazard28

I suppose not but what else can we go on? Unless we did a poll voted by everyone in the world it's otherwise impossible.

I think it's hard to look past Ronaldo once he edges Messi in Ballon D'ors and with his international record.

It depends what you base your judgement on.

I cant be bothered to point out where i disagree with Ballon d'Or arguments and the like but what i will say is that Messi 09-13 was at a level nobody else has ever reached and that is why I say Messi is the greatest ever.

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I would also say that is synonymous with barca being so good at that time.

Now Madrid are the best team of all time and Portugal won the euros people have defected to Ronaldo.

Its almost like teams make individuals better

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Also almost like xavis departure/decline has directly led to Barcelona and the Spain team going down a level.

But yeah Messi Messi Messi.

Alonso Modric and casemiro probably the main reason Ronaldo has all of those Baldon dors, and those Sergio ramos headers

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I agree Messi and Ronaldo are both crap.

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