Malaysia bans Israel from competing in Paralympics. Accused of Antisemitism

I said by extension you are.

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Oh look, you're claiming I said something that I didn't. What a new and novel approach from you. Where did I say you should go and ask all Malaysians? What I said was if you disagree with how their sampling was done then you need to provide some evidence that shows their sampling was done poorly.

No that was simply me misunderstanding what you wrote. No need to get your panties in a bunch of it.

Although my your rather umm questionable logic should these organisations be supporting wars, slavery and the arms trade to keep themselves in business?

You haven't formatted the response properly and it's far too much work for me to go through and correct your errors. Interestingly you claim that the prime minister's views aren't necessarily representative of the views of the Malaysian people yet when you talk about Israel you question who put the government in charge, inferring that the government of Israel is representative of the views of the people. In fact, you go further and infer that the Israeli government is representative of the views of most Jews, as you said 'Jews/Israelis do broadly tend to be the same'. It seems you want to recognise nuance and cultural diversity in Malaysia but don't want to recognise it amongst Israelis or even Jews generally.

I'm not sure why my Cancer Research comparison is a straw man? You made the argument that as it is in the best interest of the ADL for antisemitism to exist their research isn't to be trusted. I can replace the words 'ADL' for 'Cancer Research' and 'antisemitism' for 'cancer' and the same point exists. Yes, it's harder to lie about the number of cancer patients however it is not as though reputable charities don't conduct surveys and use estimates.

In other words you're lazy?
Actually I want to recognise the fact that the current PM got in on a ticket simply being in opposition to Razak. Netenyahu got on a xenophobic and anyone who isnt ethnically or religiously jewish one.

I literally just said why.

Actually the article i linked made that argument, i merely think it isnt an unreasonable position to take.

Did you seriously just compare anti-antisemitism to Cancer again? Jesus Christ. One is a debatable proposition the other is not.

And so the best candidate that could be produced was a proud antisemite? Not a glowing advert for Malaysia. Regardless of who the former prime minister is it seems hard to imagine a proud antisemite can win an election without a fair proportion of the population agreeing with that view. When that's coloured with a survey that shows such high agreement with antisemitic beliefs it seems to suggest that antisemitism is pretty common.

You haven't really explained why, you've just said that it's in their interest to show that antisemitism exists, I've rebutted that. You mentioned the problem with sampling, I've rebutted that. Typically in a debate if someone rebuts something you've said you either stop repeating or referencing it, or offer a further rebuttal.

No, you've also made that argument, below is an example:

"The evidence as to why it’s not trustworthy is that it’s an organisation specifically set up to call anyone and everyone antisemitic on the most hollow of grounds."

I think you should maybe go back and have a reread and you should discover you've missed the point that I was making, either that or you're being wilfully ignorant but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

That really depend son your view point. I doubt the average Malaysian could give a toss about a far off country of no consequence to them vs. betting on a proven politician and ousting a crook who looted billions.

Again, are we confusing anti-semitism for being anti-israel?

Malaysia is not only bound by religion, culture and shared bonds of heritage that grew out of empire but it has an extensive history with the Arabs going back centuries. Not with an Israel that takes pride in killing them.

I'm sorry what exactly do you want me to reiterate then?
No, no you havent. Offering a facetious straw man is not considered a suitable rebuke.

Did i? Apologies, it's getting harder to keep track as this winds on. Nevertheless the point stands, you might disagree with it but unless you've found an enticing way of proving a negative...?

Quite possibly. Remind me of your salient point again?

@Underscore__ Hmmmm... Our country is THAT HOSTILE to religious minorities that over 30,000 Christian Chin refugees from Myanmar would go on a perilous journey by foot, skipping over Thailand, just to get to predominantly Muslim 'religious minority-suppressing' Malaysia... Our country is 40% non muslim... So pls do enlighten me on why Jews would be treated any different...

Which doesn't answer my question looloo2134 was responding to. I'll grant you that an anti-zionist view is not in itself antisemitic, but countries (like Malaysia) that seek to boycott Israel on grounds of antisemitism, but who do not boycott say Myanmar and China for their treatment of a minority ethnic group within their borders, have some explaining to do. What makes anti-zionism heinous above other crimes against minority ethnic groups?

You may have an answer, I'd be happy to hear it, but at bottom there IS a difference in how Israel gets treated and how other countries doing equally heinous things appear to be treated.

What was your question sorry?

Officially Malaysia boycotts Israel for the same reason that many other Muslim countries do and that is simply down to its treatment of Muslims. I mean you can argue either way about the populations feelings on Israel but the official line is very neutral on the matter in that it is simply a response to Israeli crimes against Arabs and Palestinians.
I cant speak for Myanmar but China there are two very simple reasons. 1) There is a significant Chinese minority here. 2) China provides a huge amount of revenue for the Malaysian state through trade, you don't piss off your banker.
There is also the reason (this is more my speculation than a fact) that this policy was enacted decades ago and there has been no reason for them to change it, they get along perfectly well pretending Israel doesn't exist (ironically enough a fair number of Malaysians do go on pilgrimage to Israel though). The only reason some of the Arab regimes are changing their tone is due to wanting to cosey up with the regional superpower versus Iran. (again, in ones opinion)

Well of course but one of the more salient reasons is that Israel claims to be a liberal democracy. Liberal democracies arent supposed to engage in ethnic cleansing and invoke racist laws (to say nothing of them maintaining a de facto concentration camp in Gaza and the terror they unleashed in Lebanon)

...And this is why they don't boycott China.

Israel and Malaysia have never had any diplomatic relationship, so it doesn't really affect Malaysia economically or diplomatically if they are boycotting them.