UK Gov publishes race report

Yes it does. He says black boys are too feminine and that's a bigger issue than racism.

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Since you’ve replied to another poster, but not me, we can all safely assume now that you haven’t read the report you’re taking so much umbrage to.

I didn't see your response...?

Why am i not surprised the usual suspects are on this thread saying that either its outright lying, mistaken or simply twisting the facts them whining about how in actual fact (they seem to mistake their warped opinion for facts) the UK is basically the 3rd Reich trying to wipe out those pesky coloured sorts.

Ridiculous. For a piece of news that actually points out something rather good for a change they still seem able to manufacture some faux grievance to fit their queer narrative.

Because the short findings have said there is no institutional racism. Again, just to be clear, since your the one bleating on, have you read the report? If it’s not a yes on the next reply I’m gonna assume it’s a no.

Your right - you certainly have to take in the political context here. I mean this isn't an unbiased peer reviewed study, its a report commissioned by a conservative government etc.

I'm still surprised though. The torries don't normally come out so blatantly against the progressive way of thinking. Sure economically they are very (or used to be) hard in their conservative convictions, but socially they have pissed off a whole lot of conservatives by not explicitly taking a conservative/right wing stance. So a report like this, if they stand by it, is quite an interesting thing.

I think that stage I will praise the report for its balance. It certainly isn't the get-out-of-jail card that those on the right want it to be.. it still acknowledges many racial problems. But its not the everything-is-awful report that the left would praise either, as it acknowledges the areas where we do well.

Balanced doesn't equal correct though, and I'm sure people will spend ages going through each point and comparing it to the actual studies/figures/evidence to see how it holds up. There are so many individual areas of something like this, that to be honest I'll wait for a nice big article or video that breaks it all down and looks at which parts are correct and which aren't.

Yes it does. He says black boys are too feminine and that's a bigger issue than racism.

I see you've stopped saying he claimed "racism doesn't exist" , so I guess you have realised that you were wrong about that, but you're persisting with the claim that he said "black boys are too feminine", which is also incorrect. I can only assume that you have been misled by the poorly phrased headline Black boys are too feminised, which is slightly different from your statement, and was probably not written by Sewall anyway. The article itself includes the sentence: "More than racism, I now firmly believe that the main problem holding back black boys academically is their over-feminised upbringing." It's their upbringing that's "feminised", not the boys. He's referring to the relatively high proportion of black Caribbean boys who are brought up by single mothers, and he suggests that this may be a significant factor in lower academic achievement and more frequent involvement in crime. It's not an original idea, and you may well disagree, but you should at least try to engage with the actual arguments rather than the blatant straw man: "racism doesn't exist and black boys are too feminine". Read the whole article for a more nuanced understanding. It's not nearly as long as the report, which you are also so quick to disparage without bothering to read.

Do you really believe scientific data is as objective as the findings of a panel of people investigating a metaphysical and socio-cultural phenomenon?

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I never said he claimed racism doesn't exist.

In 2010, the chair of the Panel wrote this article claiming racism doesn't exist and black boys are too feminine
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/mar/15/black-boys-too-feminised-fathers?__twitter_impression=true

Excuse me if I don't take his report seriously.

Ah here's the response.

That's not an answer. All you've done is restated the report's conclusion. You haven't said why you think there are no issues with the report and that conclusion.

Unless you've actually read the report in full (or at least more than the headlines) , and the context around it, how do you know there are no issues with it?

The context of the report is highly relevant. It's a government report for a start, not an independent peer reviewed one. And the panellists were handpicked by the government, many of whom had already decided there was no institutional racism before they even undertook the report https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/mar/15/black-boys-too-feminised-fathers

It would be the equivalent of the Tory party commissioning a report into brexit, and choosing panellists who were very pro brexit. Would you just accept the findings of a report without challenge?

(He's black by the way.. not that it should matter, but it does to many progressive campaigners. That means you can call him an uncle tom, instead of/and a racist)

I'm sorry, I thought actual experts knew more about their subjects than armchair layabouts. But please, continue to spout your flavour of conspiracy as if it's not the same as being an anti-vaxxer or a flat earther.

If this were about any other subject, you'd call those who don't believe it idiots and conspiracy theorists. But all of a sudden, because you don't agree with the findings, it's not right.

Lovely story. But what you really are doing in all this blather above is just sidetracking from the fact that you are taking such umbrage to a report you haven’t even read.

Really? Here's your complete post from yesterday: