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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    yep, covered that already mate...

    don't get me wrong, mertesacker is quality aerially and positionally but his ridiculous lack of pace puts him way down in my eyes - sterling would run rings around him.
    not saying we have better defenders but you were saying it with such certainty as if mertesacker would come in to our team and instantly we'd be solid.

    if he's as good as you claim, why is your defence a load of bumbling idiots?
    no offence, not like i can talk.
    There's more to a defender than just pace though. Anways all I said was " he's no doubt better than the defenders you have" so you're putting words in my mouth by saying I said he'd make your defence solid.

    There's a difference between our defensive issues and your defensive issues. Man for man I'd say our defenders come out on top (taking into consideration individual quality and etc). What makes ours look so shaky is the amount of times our CB's push up so far and play a high line even when we've constantly been left exposed. When we set up shop we're actually very solid and there aren't as many mistakes as people make out to be, or compared to what I've seen of Liverpool's defence (albeit not so much so this season so I haven't really made much criticism of it my self).

    Anyways, I wasn't really here to make a point about which defence is stronger, I just made the point that Mertesacker is better individually than the defenders you have. Our defence has been awful compared to how solid it was last season although conceding 1 goal to Leicester compared to 5 from UTD should tell you enough..
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    There's more to a defender than just pace though. Anways all I said was " he's no doubt better than the defenders you have" so you're putting words in my mouth by saying I said he'd make your defence solid.

    There's a difference between our defensive issues and your defensive issues. Man for man I'd say our defenders come out on top (taking into consideration individual quality and etc). What makes ours look so shaky is the amount of times our CB's push up so far and play a high line even when we've constantly been left exposed. When we set up shop we're actually very solid and there aren't as many mistakes as people make out to be, or compared to what I've seen of Liverpool's defence (albeit not so much so this season so I haven't really made much criticism of it my self).

    Anyways, I wasn't really here to make a point about which defence is stronger, I just made the point that Mertesacker is better individually than the defenders you have. Our defence has been awful compared to how solid it was last season although conceding 1 goal to Leicester compared to 5 from UTD should tell you enough..
    oh of course there is, but don't underestimate the importance of it in modern football.

    true, your defensive lapses are a great deal to do with your past it manager.
    in a way though you're kind of like us - on paper you have decent quality defenders and we actually do too (believe it or not)
    man for man i wouldn't say you have significantly better defenders, but as a combined unit right now you're superior.

    meh, i'm not bothered about comparing defences.
    honestly i found the cazorla thing funnier than the mertesacker thing.
    a guy who barely gets in to your starting XI is deemed superior to the likes of sturridge and gerrard (albeit playing in a different position)
    EA have outdone themself yet again:cool:
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    (Original post by mhsc)
    Lovren is clearly a better player than Mertesacker. Mertesacker is a classic case of Arsenal fans massively overestimating the quality of their players.
    This, he has the turning circle of a lorry. All last season they were going on about how they had one of the best defences in the league, then they moan when they don't sign a WC centre-back.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    oh of course there is, but don't underestimate the importance of it in modern football.

    true, your defensive lapses are a great deal to do with your past it manager.
    in a way though you're kind of like us - on paper you have decent quality defenders and we actually do too (believe it or not)
    man for man i wouldn't say you have significantly better defenders, but as a combined unit right now you're superior.

    meh, i'm not bothered about comparing defences.
    honestly i found the cazorla thing funnier than the mertesacker thing.
    a guy who barely gets in to your starting XI is deemed superior to the likes of sturridge and gerrard (albeit playing in a different position)
    EA have outdone themself yet again:cool:
    Cazorla gets into our starting XI very often, and if he doesn't it's because he's replaced by either Alexis , ozil or Ramsey with the new formation.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    looking at it now, we haven't seen much of markovic but benfica must be laughing their pants off at £20m.
    Lol at the notion that "Benfica are laughing their pants of for 20m for Markovic", I specifically recall reading/hearing that their fans were pretty reluctant to see him go but he wanted to leave for the PL so would have lost him eventually one way or another, his inconsistency was there before he even moved for us so it's not exactly like it was unlikely for him to start slow. He probably wont come good until the end of this season or maybe not until the next but he will eventually and it will be worth waiting.

    Second of all they didn't get 20m.
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    I'd honestly have both Sakho and Lovren over Mertesacker.

    Sakho is borderline world class, and Lovren is also very good. It just seems like they're worse than they are because they're playing with a genuinely **** keeper, little to none protection from midfield, and in Sakho's case, 'adaptation issues', as if I could come up with a more bull**** excuse lol.

    The biggest thing though is a manager who just can't get it right defensively. 50 goals last year and with 8 conceded in 5 this year. No semblance of defensive organisation or shape, farcical at set pieces and barely a hint of a good CB partnership. With two young fullbacks it's just a recipe for disaster. Rodgers has set high expectations of himself, and quite frankly makes his defenders look ****.
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    lol Markovic will come good. Anyone making a judgement so far is retarded. But we already knew that to be fair.
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    (Original post by Strange Fruittt)
    lol Markovic will come good. Anyone making a judgement so far is retarded. But we already knew that to be fair.
    The football knowledge of some people does not extend beyond FIFA.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    This, he has the turning circle of a lorry. All last season they were going on about how they had one of the best defences in the league, then they moan when they don't sign a WC centre-back.
    Pretty sure all we wanted was cover, don't recall anyone saying we needed a world class CB unless you can provide quotes which say otherwise
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Pretty sure all we wanted was cover, don't recall anyone saying we needed a world class CB unless you can provide quotes which say otherwise
    No chance am I going back through that cluster**** of a thread to pull out a quote for you.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    No chance am I going back through that cluster**** of a thread to pull out a quote for you.
    You wouldn't have to because no one actually wanted a world class CB.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    This, he has the turning circle of a lorry. All last season they were going on about how they had one of the best defences in the league, then they moan when they don't sign a WC centre-back.
    Why come out with nonsensical comments like this? You know no one wanted a central defender to displace Mertesacker or Koscielny, they have formed a partnership that is easily one of the best in the league. All we wanted was a direct replacement for Vermaelen after Chambers was brought in.

    Also, I'm literally laughing at how absurd the notion of Sakho being borderline world class is.

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    (Original post by Mr Pink)
    Why come out with nonsensical comments like this? You know no one wanted a central defender to displace Mertesacker or Koscielny, they have formed a partnership that is easily one of the best in the league. All we wanted was a direct replacement for Vermaelen after Chambers was brought in.

    Also, I'm literally laughing at how absurd the notion of Sakho being borderline world class is.

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    "Easily one of the best partnerships in the League". Conceded 17 goals in 3 games.
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Cazorla gets into our starting XI very often, and if he doesn't it's because he's replaced by either Alexis , ozil or Ramsey with the new formation.
    he isn't nailed on though.
    i don't think you're understanding properly (arsenal fans eh?)
    cazorla is apparently better than the best player we have on our entire team - that's meant to be the funny part yeah?

    like i said, it's just a game and has little reflection on real life in terms of general performance levels and team chemistry, but its fun to compare their ratings and find out fellaini is better than henderson
    (Original post by So Instinct)
    Lol at the notion that "Benfica are laughing their pants of for 20m for Markovic", I specifically recall reading/hearing that their fans were pretty reluctant to see him go but he wanted to leave for the PL so would have lost him eventually one way or another, his inconsistency was there before he even moved for us so it's not exactly like it was unlikely for him to start slow. He probably wont come good until the end of this season or maybe not until the next but he will eventually and it will be worth waiting.

    Second of all they didn't get 20m.
    how much did they get?
    regardless, we still paid 20m didn't we?

    i bloody well hope he's worth the wait because 20m is a lot of money for a 20 year old who is inconsistent as you said.
    what i mean is that we buy a lot of young players with great potential.
    sometimes it works really well but i feel like we should've spent an extra 10m on a more established, consistent winger who can slot in to our first team and help with our creation.
    we lost suarez who was a massive creator for us, but quality wise what have we got instead?
    we're never gonna replace the insane quality of suarez but i hoped for a little more than lallana and markovic.

    but i guess it's early and maybe my expectations are too high after last season.

    (Original post by Strange Fruittt)
    I'd honestly have both Sakho and Lovren over Mertesacker.

    Sakho is borderline world class, and Lovren is also very good. It just seems like they're worse than they are because they're playing with a genuinely **** keeper, little to none protection from midfield, and in Sakho's case, 'adaptation issues', as if I could come up with a more bull**** excuse lol.

    The biggest thing though is a manager who just can't get it right defensively. 50 goals last year and with 8 conceded in 5 this year. No semblance of defensive organisation or shape, farcical at set pieces and barely a hint of a good CB partnership. With two young fullbacks it's just a recipe for disaster. Rodgers has set high expectations of himself, and quite frankly makes his defenders look ****.
    lol at sakho being world class - is he paying you to suck up to him or something?
    i hope you mean world class potential because right now he is above average at best.

    i do rate lovren though; he's done as much as he can with a CB partner (skrtel or sakho) who just isn't doing their job good enough right now.
    i agree on our defensive issues not necessarily being all down to our defenders; mignolet is garbage and we don't have enough midfield cover; gerrard just doesn't cut it.

    rodgers is way too attacking and his defensive naivety is painfully obvious.
    it's all about organisation; we have the players but we're conceding stupid goals from set pieces or we have both centre backs jumping for the same ball.
    last year at times we literally just outscored the opponent but with suarez gone and sturridge injured right now, there's little place to hide.

    (Original post by Strange Fruittt)
    lol Markovic will come good. Anyone making a judgement so far is retarded. But we already knew that to be fair.
    like i said we haven't seen much of him but it feels like we're paying so much in the hope that his potential turns him in to a 30-40m player.
    his lay offs are pretty decent; he seems to have good awareness of the players around him which is great for us since we try to move fast going forward.
    however his general wing play isn't too good - right now he's struggling to beat his man and even when he does his crosses are generally underhit.

    i'm not saying he won't get better because it's still early, but looking at him so far i'm a little disappointed.
    (Original post by addylad)
    The football knowledge of some people does not extend beyond FIFA.
    pls addy don't be bitter; real men don't hold grudges.
    you cried yourself to sleep, now just move on:cool:
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    he isn't nailed on though.
    i don't think you're understanding properly (arsenal fans eh?)
    cazorla is apparently better than the best player we have on our entire team - that's meant to be the funny part yeah?

    like i said, it's just a game and has little reflection on real life in terms of general performance levels and team chemistry, but its fun to compare their ratings and find out fellaini is better than henderson


    how much did they get?
    regardless, we still paid 20m didn't we?

    i bloody well hope he's worth the wait because 20m is a lot of money for a 20 year old who is inconsistent as you said.
    what i mean is that we buy a lot of young players with great potential.
    sometimes it works really well but i feel like we should've spent an extra 10m on a more established, consistent winger who can slot in to our first team and help with our creation.
    we lost suarez who was a massive creator for us, but quality wise what have we got instead?
    we're never gonna replace the insane quality of suarez but i hoped for a little more than lallana and markovic.

    but i guess it's early and maybe my expectations are too high after last season.



    lol at sakho being world class - is he paying you to suck up to him or something?
    i hope you mean world class potential because right now he is above average at best.

    i do rate lovren though; he's done as much as he can with a CB partner (skrtel or sakho) who just isn't doing their job good enough right now.
    i agree on our defensive issues not necessarily being all down to our defenders; mignolet is garbage and we don't have enough midfield cover; gerrard just doesn't cut it.

    rodgers is way too attacking and his defensive naivety is painfully obvious.
    it's all about organisation; we have the players but we're conceding stupid goals from set pieces or we have both centre backs jumping for the same ball.
    last year at times we literally just outscored the opponent but with suarez gone and sturridge injured right now, there's little place to hide.



    like i said we haven't seen much of him but it feels like we're paying so much in the hope that his potential turns him in to a 30-40m player.
    his lay offs are pretty decent; he seems to have good awareness of the players around him which is great for us since we try to move fast going forward.
    however his general wing play isn't too good - right now he's struggling to beat his man and even when he does his crosses are generally underhit.

    i'm not saying he won't get better because it's still early, but looking at him so far i'm a little disappointed.


    pls addy don't be bitter; real men don't hold grudges.
    you cried yourself to sleep, now just move on:cool:

    Not many people in our XI get nailed on considering how stacked we are in midfield.. I get what you're saying lol. I wouldn't say he's even close to the best, but I think he'd start in your squad
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Not many people in our XI get nailed on considering how stacked we are in midfield.. I get what you're saying lol. I wouldn't say he's even close to the best, but I think he'd start in your squad
    true, your depth in midfield is crazy at times:rolleyes:

    yeah, i'd be happy having him in our first team but compared to sterling, sturridge, maybe even coutinho he wouldn't be anywhere near the standout best.

    i'm used to us being underrated so it's not new to me, but it's just annoying when you look at top teams and see how overrated their players are.
    i know ovr is determined by different weighted attributes but surely you'd use a baseline for every overall rating and use it at least as a rough comparison player to player?
    if you didn't realise, i have fifa coming tomorrow
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    pls addy don't be bitter; real men don't hold grudges.
    you cried yourself to sleep, now just move on:cool:
    Don't start making a scene again, just because you can't take a bit of criticism.
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    (Original post by addylad)
    Don't start making a scene again, just because you can't take a bit of criticism.
    I ain't making no scene man, that isn't my style now.
    Nah, criticism is fine; these forums would be boring without it.

    But it's normally a little better if there's cause and its actually related to a specific post about football so discussion can develop and continue
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    Yea I'm not reading all of that
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    I ain't making no scene man, that isn't my style now.
    Nah, criticism is fine; these forums would be boring without it.

    But it's normally a little better if there's cause and its actually related to a specific post about football so discussion can develop and continue
    Stop whining then.

    Okay, so what winger should we have spent an extra £10m on, as you suggest?

    Have you seen Sakho play for France?

    How many minutes has Markovic played this season (in real life, not on FIFA)?
 
 
 
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