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    (Original post by nihility)
    homosexuality:
    "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)! They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!" He said: "I do detest your doings:" "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful." (Qur'an 26:165-175)
    So clearly you've failed in regards to your non point about apostasy and now you fail even further in your total ignorance to the story of Soddom and Gommorah.

    It's really time this thread shut down
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    (Original post by ajtiesto)
    Don't be an idiot. I'm not labelling you because of your condemnation for the burning of embassies but the fact you've completely ignored my simple question on weather you hate all muslims or not. A simple yes or no would of been good.
    So, because I decide that your largely stupid question is irrelevant to my condemnation of embassy-torching, you conclude I'm in the KKK?

    Do all people who condemn embassy-torching and see how much filibuster you put up get labelled as "KKK" by you?
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    (Original post by nihility)
    homosexuality:
    "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)! They said: "If thou desist not, O Lut! thou wilt assuredly be cast out!" He said: "I do detest your doings:" "O my Lord! deliver me and my family from such things as they do!" So We delivered him and his family,- all Except an old woman who lingered behind. But the rest We destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)! Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful." (Qur'an 26:165-175)
    contradiction much? lol
    I rest my case. Does it say-muslims kill gays, or is this a story about the town of sodom, hence a story about a prophet and his people?
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    That has nothing to do with apostasy, it refers to a peace treaty in times of war you utter moron.

    . And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.

    7. How can there be a covenant with Allâh and with His Messenger for the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah)? So long, as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allâh loves Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2).

    8. How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fâsiqûn (rebellious, disobedient to Allâh).

    9. They have purchased with the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh a little gain, and they hindered men from His Way; evil indeed is that which they used to do.

    10. With regard to a believer, they respect not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who are the transgressors.

    11. But if they repent, perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give Zakât, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know.

    12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish - pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions).

    Fail Number 1
    They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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    (Original post by aura1947)
    There aren't just Muslims in Pakistan.
    Pakistan is a islamic state
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    (Original post by MJlover)
    I edited my post. It doesn't not say kill apostates or homosexuals in the Qur'an, prove it to me.
    What do you mean? The tasfir of certain Quranic verses are used to justify the position that the four schools of major thought hold. For example, some people say Al-araf and Al-Hijr (015.072) and the hadiths by Abu Dawood (4462) and Ibn Maajah (2561) and al-Tirmidhi (1456), , clearly show that Islam would of wanted homosexuals to die.
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    (Original post by Numzilla)
    Draw Muhammad Day wasn't taken lightly by Muslims all over the world. So much so that Pakistan has banned Facebook for 10 days. Mark Zuckerberg gets paid like $28 for each user, Pakistan has millions of users, big loss for Zuckerberg. Poor facebook addicts- they must be going crazy. :p: I appreciate the stand taken by the Pakistani courts though. What do you think?
    It's good publicity for facebook. Similiar to Google in China it can present itself as a campaigner for freedom and distract people from the lack of data protection. Nevertheles I'm pretty sure some peolle will find ways to bypass this blockade.
    In my opinion some Muslims overreacting but that isn't a new story (I remember burning embassies because of some carricatures)
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    (Original post by MJlover)
    I rest my case. Does it say-muslims kill gays, or is this a story about the town of sodom, hence a story about a prophet and his people?
    it seems to suggest that allah thinks gays should die. in that he destroyed them utterly.
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    (Original post by birdsong1)
    So, because I decide that your largely stupid question is irrelevant to my condemnation of embassy-torching, you conclude I'm in the KKK?
    OK forget about the KKK for a minute. I'm just bemused as to why you can't answer my question. I asked politely several times but you just came up with some bizzare question about a wife, lol. It was a genuine yes or no question, why is it so hard for you to answer.
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    (Original post by Diaz89)
    So clearly you've failed in regards to your non point about apostasy and now you fail even further in your total ignorance to the story of Soddom and Gommorah.

    It's really time this thread shut down
    what?
    fail?
    why do you want the thread shut so much?
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    (Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
    What do you mean? The tasfir of certain Quranic verses are used to justify the position that the four schools of major thought hold. For example, some people say Al-araf and Al-Hijr (015.072) and the hadiths by Abu Dawood (4462) and Ibn Maajah (2561) and al-Tirmidhi (1456), , clearly show that Islam would of wanted homosexuals to die.
    I am talking about the Qur'an. I know what hadiths say. But Nihility keeps on insisting its the Qur'an, and I want clear evidence. Nihility is always ranting about the Qur'an.
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    (Original post by Qoph)
    It's good publicity for facebook. Similiar to Google in China it can present itself as a campaigner for freedom and distract people from the lack of data protection. Nevertheles I'm pretty sure some peolle will find ways to bypass this blockade.
    In my opinion some Muslims overreacting but that isn't a new story (I remember burning embassies because of some carricatures)
    lol
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    I hope facebook gets banned over here I really do :sadnod:
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    (Original post by ajtiesto)
    OK forget about the KKK for minute. I'm so bemused as to why you can't answer my question. I asked politely several times but you just came up with some bizzare question about a wife, lol. It was a genuine yes or no question, why is it so hard for you to answer.
    Simply put: I never answer irrelevant questions that are meant for nothing but to distract from the discussion.

    And it wasn't even a question; it was an accusation. Hence, you never answered my own question back at you. Why do you beat your wife?
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    (Original post by Rashdah77)
    Pakistan is a islamic state
    OMG! NO WAI111! Srsly?!

    Read my post again.
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    (Original post by nihility)
    it seems to suggest that allah thinks gays should die. in that he destroyed them utterly.
    He sent a messenger to preach to them and guide them. They were destroyed when they tried to rape the angels.
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    (Original post by Kreuzuerk)
    Fine. But I haven't been short with you and in all honestly, you have offered no argument against the above.

    To simply offer a 'K' is, in my opinion, a little embarrassing and cringe-worthy.
    I have not offered an argument against what was above because I agreed with it.

    Frankly you posted a big opinion which you hold and which I don't have a problem with.

    What more do you want me to say lol?! :p:
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    (Original post by MJlover)
    He sent a messenger to preach to them and guide them. They were destroyed when they tried to rape the angels.
    what a charming fairy tale. anyway, annoying mouse got you on the hadiths.
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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    I have not offered an argument against what was above because I agreed with it.

    Frankly you posted a big opinion which you hold and which I don't have a problem with.

    What more do you want me to say lol?! :p:
    Oh, okay. That's fine then.
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    (Original post by nihility)
    what a charming fairy tale. anyway, annoying mouse got you on the hadiths.
    I know very well what hadiths say. I just wanted to break your annoying ranting about the Qur'an.
 
 
 
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