The Liverpool FC Thread VII

Obviously people's opinions are going to change on the basis of what happens. A year ago, many Arsenal fans were saying Koscielny was a rubbish signing. Now the same are saying he's fantastic. Last season he made a lot of errors. This season he hasn't. Hence the change in opinions. At the time of the signings, Downing and Carroll were very good for their previous clubs.

I'm probably in the minority but I still don't think Carroll was a bad signing at the time (even for the £35m), but there you go. I think to get the best out of him, it requires the very brave (or blind faith) move to start him week-in, week-out with Suarez 'in the hole'.

You feel that strongly about him?



I think he'd leave them if offered the job. He's a good manager imo - motivates his players, gets the best out of them but he plays **** football & is untested at a club with such high expectations (SPL is **** although he still built a decent Celtic team).

I suppose we could do better, could do worse.

I knew that Adam was a crap signing - a lot of Liverpool fans wanted him, now they want him to be sold. And now they want players that are brilliant in a game.

But lets hope that lessons are learnt - its not looking that way though.

I absolutely despise O'Neil, his attitude, persona, style of play, fetish for British players on high wages and his friends in the media. It is all a complete joke and the myth of O'Neil will be shattered soon enough, just as he jumped ship at Villa when it was about to then. He absolutely spunks money on absolutely mediocre players.

He is to me, an upper mid table to Hodgsons lower mid table manager.

You feel that strongly about him?



I think he'd leave them if offered the job. He's a good manager imo - motivates his players, gets the best out of them but he plays **** football & is untested at a club with such high expectations (SPL is **** although he still built a decent Celtic team).

I suppose we could do better, could do worse.

I think his style of football would be a risk, but I think he is judged unfairly on that level. I've watched Sunderland a few times this season and although they have generic English 'engines' like Gardner and Cattermole in midfield, they do have players like MacLean (who he introduced) and Sessegnon who are good to watch. You'll never be short of entertainment if you have players like that on the pitch. I've never understood why modern football fans are so hung up on their teams playing 'good' football/'the right way'. It's not like MON would take over and say to Suarez "HEY! No dribbling or slaloming past defenders!"

Football is a result's business and after SAF no British manager, that I can think of, has had better results than MON for the last decade or so. Why he hasn't had a chance at a bigger club is baffling, Sunderland is above his level. He has his weaknesses but his managerial CV is very impressive whichever way you look at it.

His tactics are always one dimensional, looking to set his team up on the counter attack. He'll again spend plenty of money at Sunderland, probably get them to peak by finishing 6th/7th next season or the one after but he's never going to be able to lift the limitations thereafter to push any further.

His tactics are always one dimensional, looking to set his team up on the counter attack. He'll again spend plenty of money at Sunderland, probably get them to peak by finishing 6th/7th next season or the one after but he's never going to be able to lift the limitations thereafter to push any further.

I absolutely despise O'Neil, his attitude, persona, style of play, fetish for British players on high wages and his friends in the media. It is all a complete joke and the myth of O'Neil will be shattered soon enough, just as he jumped ship at Villa when it was about to then. He absolutely spunks money on absolutely mediocre players.

He is to me, an upper mid table to Hodgsons lower mid table manager.

That eerily reminds me of someone

Sunderland are going to be limited anyway, due to FFP - so they can't spend massively to get into the EL. And he has generally spent ok, with nothing to suggest that he'd have spent the money KD has but in a worse way - heck, he brought Young and Downing to Villa, who have profited to the tune of £16m from both. He got the best out of Warnock, Dunne et al. And that is what Liverpool need right now, someone to get the best from what is available, because Kenny certainly isn't doing it - but I expect KD will get more time due to previous achievements.

Not much I imagine. The only way Dalglish will leave is he wants to, the owners can never sack him or 'mutually terminate' him because an awful lot of the support cannot look at it objectively.

Aren't most teams out of the top 6ish predominantly counter-attacking teams (or at least like to sit back), though? I wouldn't say it's one-dimensional, it's just sensible, and if the tactics work (like they have anywhere he has been), what's the problem? I don't blame him or managers like Redknapp for spending a lot of money. Well, as long as there are results - which they were at Villa, they were very close to entering the top 4 under his guidance. You don't get anywhere in football by spending little money, you end up loitering in the same positions like Moyes and Wenger. Ultimately MON threw out his prams out for not getting more money and his timing was absolutely terrible, but Villa did need an injection of money to push on and if there wasn't then he couldn't have taken them any further.

There may be some stronger limitations but considering the size of Sunderland's spend, having a 45mil loss which is covered to start with, is still a massive amount. Might not look like a lot for Chelsea/City but will be for Sunderland.
Disagree with the transfer comment, he's been very mixed bag, had some great players like your examples but he bought in a lot of players for the 5-12mil bracket, usually on high wages and the club are still feeling the after effects of MON.

I absolutely despise O'Neil, his attitude, persona, style of play, fetish for British players on high wages and his friends in the media. It is all a complete joke and the myth of O'Neil will be shattered soon enough, just as he jumped ship at Villa when it was about to then. He absolutely spunks money on absolutely mediocre players.

He is to me, an upper mid table to Hodgsons lower mid table manager.