Full smoking ban!

This sort of thread really annoys me - Fair enough, you like the smoking ban, because you don't like smoky rooms, or have asthma or whatever. Thats fine, i can understand that.

But is it really necessary to sling little insults and barbs at smokers? - if there's a ban, their smoke won't be affecting you any more, so back the hell off. I don't see a bunch of smokers here raving on about non-smokers whinging constantly at them, because contrary to popular belief a great deal of smokers agree with you - you do have the right to clean air, so we will go outside and let you have it.

Forgive the pun, but stop tarring everyone with the same brush.
I will happily go outside to smoke, and I'll even keep away from any doorways so you can pretend I don't exist, but like it has already been mentioned I'd appreciate an ashtray to dump the end in coz I don't like the litter either.

So pubs should only be open to smokers? Smoking is an active method of killing yourself and others, last time i checked, going to a pub didnt carry quite the same risks to either the person going to the pub or the otehr people in the pub.

This sort of thread really annoys me - Fair enough, you like the smoking ban, because you don't like smoky rooms, or have asthma or whatever. Thats fine, i can understand that.

But is it really necessary to sling little insults and barbs at smokers? - if there's a ban, their smoke won't be affecting you any more, so back the hell off. I don't see a bunch of smokers here raving on about non-smokers whinging constantly at them, because contrary to popular belief a great deal of smokers agree with you - you do have the right to clean air, so we will go outside and let you have it.

Forgive the pun, but stop tarring everyone with the same brush.
I will happily go outside to smoke, and I'll even keep away from any doorways so you can pretend I don't exist, but like it has already been mentioned I'd appreciate an ashtray to dump the end in coz I don't like the litter either.

Thankyou! I thought i was the only one who realised some people were over reacting to this ban thing. And besides, its not even coming into force until next year, muahaha.

I personally believe that cigarettes should be made illegal. The reason is that companies are selling something that is physically addictive, and extremely bad for your and the people are you's health. Banning it in public places I feel doesn't go far enough. I think it should be banned full stop.

Nope, pubs should be open to everyone provided they accept the terms that the landlord, the rightful owner of the property, sets out. If the landlord wants to allow people to smoke on their property, then so be it.

Don't like the terms that you have to abide to on the landlord's property? Don't go there.

Why does the landlord have the right to define rules which ultimately could lead to the death of his customers? Yes he owns the property and can therefore smoke in the private areas however in the public areas allowing people to smoke may as well be considered manslaughter. (yes its extreme and obviosuly not going to be the case but you get the idea)

You're making the mistake of ignoring the fact that smoking is a legal activity. Therefore he is defining rules which would allow people to partake in a legal activity rather than defining rules which ultimately could lead to the death of his customers. .

Anyway, I assume you don't have a problem with the landlord selling alcohol, which could also lead to the death of his customers. I also assume that you have no problem with a home owner defining rules on their property which could lead to the death of those who come to visit them (i.e., smoking, drinking, whatever). .

So, with these things considered, I don't really see how you have much of a point to be honest.

Are you denying the fact that smoking kills Surely thats what this law is for...to make it illegal in public places just beacuse its been a long time in common doesnt mean smoking is hunky dory.

There is no good evidence that alcohol in moderation has a detrimental effect on health infact there is evidence for a protective effect in some cases, you can't compare smoking and alcohol, i admit that abuse of alcohol is a problem but smoking even 1 cig a day will damage both the smoker and surrounding people.

I'm not denying that smoking kills. I'm just saying that by your logic in your previous post, a landlord also shouldn't be allowed to sell alcohol, after all, it "ultimately could lead to the death of his customers" (your words). Yes, alcohol in moderation may not be a problem, but how many pubs are frequented solely by people drinking in moderation? Very few I'd imagine.

The basic point is, people are aware smoking can kill, people are aware alcohol can kill, so you make up your own mind as to whether you want to take that risk and enter the landlord's property, his pub. If you aren't willing to take that risk, don't go to the pub. Quite simple really.

Going to the pub is not some inalienable human right. It's a choice you make. It's just a shame that so many people are apparently unwilling to take responsibility for the risks their own decisions might carry and thus require the government to meddle in people's property and business rights.

Well those who are worried about the risks of passive smoking shouldn't go on to someone's property who wants to permit smoking.

yeah cos thats the only reason its been banned nothing to do with saving lives of non smokers.